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Old 08-09-14, 10:17 PM
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
I'm unable to get Pumking here in L.A.
No one has it not even my hook up and doing a mail order trade is a pain in the ass.
I talked to BevMo about ordering some and they said their one distributor can get it, but not until September.
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

Yea I don't know if it's being here on the East Coast or what, but the Whole Foods here must have about half a dozen different Pumpkin beers already. I know more have to be coming so I'm trying to get a couple of each.
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

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Yea I don't know if it's being here on the East Coast or what, but the Whole Foods here must have about half a dozen different Pumpkin beers already. I know more have to be coming so I'm trying to get a couple of each.
Out way to early if you ask me, I started seeing pumpkin beers pop up at my local beer places in mid July.
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

Originally Posted by DarkElf View Post
I found my way back to DVDTalk, so I'll resurrect this thread from hibernation.

Would like to hear people's opinions.

The scene has undergone quite a shift over the past few years. Seems most breweries are more concerned with brewing a UNIQUE beer than a GOOD one now. Sad, but more than half the beers I try nowadays are not good. Yet the price continues to go up and up, so now you end up spending more money for worse beer. Fortunately, I joined forces with a buddy 2.5 years ago and we run a beer/wine shop here in San Diego, so since we try every beer that comes in the store (and twice as many that we reject), I'm not wasting my personal money. (Actually, my job here is to run the wine department and it's far more rewarding to me than beer is now.)

What great beers have you guys and gals had lately? And what's your ratio of good to bad?

And has anyone bought one of these?


I agree, the beer field is getting much too crowded, the majority of the beers are just average and are so expensive. I case of Pumpking I priced out last week was 12, 22 oz bottles for $106.00, single bottles at my local store are $12.00 each. I can get six 40's of Colt 45 for $13.00 at the same store.

I found getting my growler filled is about 50% less expensive than getting a case or some bombers, yeah the selection may not be as good but I save money and get to try a lot of beers.
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Craft beer is getting to be like wine. Have you ever seen how many different makes and models of wine there are? And the styles and flavors of beer is much greater than wine, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
I'm unable to get Pumking here in L.A.
No one has it not even my hook up and doing a mail order trade is a pain in the ass.
I just picked up a couple bottles of Southern Tier Pumking yesterday at Ramirez Beverage Center in Boyle Heights. They had at least a dozen bottles left.
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I just picked up a couple bottles of Southern Tier Pumking yesterday at Ramirez Beverage Center in Boyle Heights. They had at least a dozen bottles left.
Sweet. Been meaning to hit them up since forever!
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

I tried a Three Philosophers recently, not that easy to get here in the West Coast. It was good. I've been far from the scene. Before I would usually try 2-3 new beer each week. I haven't tried a new one in months.

I usually check one of my beer apps before buying, trying to read reviews and stuff, not exactly looking for a number.

And of course this thread. But I abandoned this thread because it was too much temptation
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

Ugh, the local news just had a news story about a local grocery store trying to sell beer (Very rare in PA) and they showed a Pumpking stand with cases and cases of Pumpking for $8.45 per bottle! Much less than the $12.00 my local beer place sells it for.
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Ugh, the local news just had a news story about a local grocery store trying to sell beer (Very rare in PA) and they showed a Pumpking stand with cases and cases of Pumpking for $8.45 per bottle! Much less than the $12.00 my local beer place sells it for.
Yea, I think Pa laws are as freaky as Texas use to be. Don't get those places you can only buy cases. But I like that Yards and Victory fill growers. And I'm working in Glen Mills and the Whole Foods has a great selection of beers and 6 rotating taps and also fills growlers.

Cool that resturants will re-cork a bottle of wine for you to take home. I think that an excellent idea all around and should be that way all over. More money for the resturant but doesn't encourage over drinking and driving.
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Re: The Official "Great Beer" thread. Part 2; Same great taste but this time more hop

Ranking of all 50 states by their beers.

And having had many beers from many states, I'd say it's pretty accurate.
Though I'd put California just a little bit higher...


It's a great time to be drinking beer in America. Not that it was ever, you know, a BAD time to be doing that necessarily, but with craft breweries multiplying like rabbits who've been drinking beer, you can literally find some serviceable (if not downright tasty) local brews in all 50 states. Which made the process of ranking them all the more difficult, but we were up to the challenge, especially since it meant drinking and thinking about beer for weeks straight.

Here they are, all 50 states in the Union, ranked according to their beer. A couple notes about our criteria. Quantity and quality are both important, but quality's a bit MORE important. If you're a small state turning out a disproportionate amount of great beer, it did not go unrecognized. We also gave a boost to states who played a historical role in American beer as we know it today. We also argued a lot, so if you want to do that as well, please join us in the comments!

50. Mississippi
There’s a reason that Mississippi’s the home of the blues. It has a lot to do with the fact that the state’s got fewer breweries than Blind Willie Nine Fingers has digits.

49. West Virginia
Misty taste of moonshine, teardrop in my eye. Note: the teardrop is because there isn’t enough good beer to drink here.

48. Rhode Island
‘Gansett. That’s about all there is to say. ‘Gansett!! Luckily it’s really fun to say.

47. North Dakota
You’d think that two decades of enduring wood-chipper jokes would drive more North Dakotans to drink, but noh... noh, there’s not much brewing going on here, though a can of Fargo Brewing Co.’s Iron Horse Pale Ale is a mighty fine treat.

46. Nevada
Booze is a big business in the Silver State, but with respect to brewers like Great Basin, most of that silver is in Bullet form... given out for free. At the nickel slots.

45. South Dakota
When every biker from Portland, OR to Portland, ME comes rolling into Sturgis, they probably drink more beer than the collective frat population of the US. But they subsist on a diet of tallboys and Kid Rock. And while you’ll find local beer on many taps throughout the state, those taps are probably gathering dust next to a fresh macro keg. I frequent SoDak, and when I do, I subsist mainly on Crow Peak’s excellent 11th Hour IPA. There’s a beer scene lurking in the Black Hills, but it needs some nourishment. And support.

44. Nebraska
Luckily, the Cornhuskers' 22 spot in the preseason AP poll is the only ranking this state really cares about.

43. Hawaii
People tend to vouch for the tastiness of the local beer they tried while in Hawaii, which is probably because THEY WERE IN #@$%& Hawaii. Kona and Maui and the like make some solid beer, but it gets a bit of a perception bump from the Hawaiian mystique.

42. New Jersey
All sorts of silly laws, plus a statewide Red Bull-vodka addiction, stonewalled the development of Jersey breweries for years, but even though things have freed up a bit, they still don’t make Taylor Ham beer. Someone make Taylor Ham beer! If anyone answers that ridiculous plea, it’ll be ballsy up-and-comer Carton.

41. New Hampshire
Every person in New Hampshire is never more than two hours away from one of the top six beer states in the nation (gotta keep reading to figure out which!). So while the lack of an established scene aside from venerable Smuttynose is surprising, we don’t feel that badly for those who must choose daily between living free and dying.

40. Wyoming
The combination of locals having a lot of time to hone their crafts and the influx of tourists -- skiers, Dads who’ve been penned up in an RV with three kids who could care less about Old Faithful -- has made this sparsely populated wilderness a solid beer spot, with Snake River and Black Tooth brewing some seriously delicious beers that collectively pack more IBUs than the state has residents.

39. Connecticut
Not a ton happening here, but Olde Burnside makes a uniquely sessionable Scottish Ale, and also sells longswords on its website.

38. Arkansas
Last year, the Arkansas Times -- whose research we trust, because they obviously weren’t drinking 11% stouts while writing, unlike some people -- reported that the number of breweries jumped from four to 19... and it’s growing. That, friends, is a renaissance, with breweries like Core Brewing and Ozark Beer Co. leading a serious charge from the South. In 10 years, after the brewers get more comfortable, expect to see Arkansas as a real contender.

37. South Carolina
South Carolina has 1) many respectable brewpubs, 2) not very many breweries whose wares make it outside state lines, and, perhaps best of all, 3) a border with North Carolina.

36. Kansas
Tallgrass makes some solidly enjoyable brews for sipping out of a cold aluminum tallboy. The rest of the state’s beer is kinda just... there. Much like Kansas.

35. Arizona
Stick to iced tea! What’s that? Arizona Iced Tea isn’t even made in Arizona? Fine. You know what is? Actually some decent beers (Four Peaks, SanTan), but, hey, things are getting competitive.

34. Iowa
If Ray Kinsella had started a hop farm instead of a corn farm, brewing in Iowa would probably be... exactly the same, since he plowed over the bulk of said farm so he could have a catch with Ray Liotta. The bright side? Toppling Goliath, which five years ago brewed a half-barrel at a time, and now has road-trippers from all over the Midwest stopping by their taproom to drink that much in a sitting.

33. Tennessee
Whiskey, yes. Country music? Yep. Connie Britton’s charismatic turn as fading Nashville star Rayna Jaymes? Oh hell yes! Beer? Meh. That’s not to say that there’s not great beer -- what up, Nashville’s Yazoo and Memphis’s Boscos -- but the drop from great to mediocre is steeper than a Smoky Mountain cliff face. Plus, ain’t nobody -- not even Rayna Jaymes -- ever wrote a classic country song while drinking a fancy porter.

32. Kentucky
Look, bourbon will always be Kentucky’s first and greatest love, but breweries like Against the Grain are really giving it something to be proud of when it comes to certain other alcoholic beverages. Of course, those bourbon barrels have gone a long way to helping breweries all over the country make your beer more delicious. Although oddly, Kentucky Bourbon Ale (the state’s most high-profile barrel-aged beer) is just okay.

31. Georgia
Georgia loses points for not requiring each and every one of its breweries to make a brew called Sweet Georgia Brown, but it really lands in the middle by a couple dozen middle-of-the-road breweries, but no truly great ones. A C+ average might be passing, but it’s hardly excelling.

30. New Mexico
No, we’re not going to make a Breaking Bad joke. But we are going to ding New Mexico for being hot as balls, which makes drinking a thick, delicious microbrew extra difficult. Also making it difficult is the fact that, despite the efforts of great brewers like La Cumbre and Chama River, nobody thinks of beer when they think of New Mexico. Except maybe Schraderbrau. And... DAMMIT!

29. Idaho
For a state best known for potatoes and, um, potatoes, Idaho’s throwing some serious clout around courtesy of ballers like Grand Teton, Sockeye, Laughing Dog, and the incredible Selkirk Abbey. But the scene isn’t fully formed yet, thanks in large part to the fact that lite beer tastes better while muddin’.

28. Virginia
Virginia is for beer lovers. Or at least it’s getting there fast. Another state where weird laws (these ones involving how much food you needed to sell, for some God-awful reason) held brewing back for a while, VA’s got some real action going now, from entrenched favorites like Legend, Star Hill, and Devil’s Backbone, to new kid Smartmouth, whose canned IPA and Saison are (somewhat) specifically designed for you to drink on a boat. But they’re really good on land too! And all this leads to an interesting and telling halo effect: two of its cities -- Richmond and Norfolk -- are amongst the three finalists for Stone’s newest super-brewery/blissful outdoor drinking compound.

27. Louisiana
Louisiana’s another state where the joy to be had drinking beer there outstrips the actual quality of anything produced in-state. Obviously the beer discussion here starts with Abita. Purple Haze sounds more exciting than it tastes, but some of their less widespread releases make up for their more average flagships. If you’re looking for an intriguing up-and coming outfit to keep an eye on, Parish Brewing Co. merits your attention.

26. Oklahoma
Truth be told, a few years ago Oklahoma wouldn’t have placed nearly this high, but the meteoric rise of Prairie Artisan Ales as one of those “holy %&*$ have you tried this” breweries that people cover some serious distance to visit has really raised its profile.

25. Alaska
Hey, it’s cold there. Often. Which leaves plenty of time to stay inside and brew. And they do, routinely rating as one of the top states in terms of barrels of craft beer produced per capita. But enough boring stuff! Get your hands on excellent brews like Midnight Sun Berserker, Alaskan Barley Wine, and Anchorage Bitter Monk.

24. Maryland
So yeah, it’s a little odd that Maryland’s most prominent craft outfit (Flying Dog), is a Colorado transplant, but the fact remains that the vast majority of the brewery's tasty beer comes out of the Old Line State these days. They’re far from the only game in town, however. Stillwater is doing some seriously impressive work, like a damn-near-perfect Gose collab with Westbrook. Of course, old habits die hard, so the state still consumes plenty of Natty Boh, too.

23. Montana
Big Sky Brewing might be the ambassador for Montana brewing -- Moose Drool being an essential brown, and Ivan the Terrible being a badass of a Russian Imperial -- but with rising stars like Flathead Lake and Bozeman Brewing pouring high-quality wares, Montana’s becoming formidable on the scene. Bozeman will one day be a destination for beer lovers, provided you can deal with the requisite bluegrass music that accompanies your drinking.

22. Alabama
Homebrewing, the essential root of all the damn beautiful stuff in this story, has been legal in Alabama for barely over a year. So that’s crazy. Before that, a noble band of beermen toiled under the banner Free The Hops for almost a decade to get the legal ABV limit for any brewery raised from 6%. But after all that, the boom’s finally on, with the number of breweries doubling basically every year. One of the big deals: Good People, which has really cool cans, and fills them with a splendid double IPA called Snake Handler that would’ve gotten them all very arrested three years ago.

21. Utah
Utah! Get me two! That’s what you used to have to say when you ordered a beer in Utah, because it was mad weak. But outfits like Uinta (13.2% Labyrinth Black Ale) and Epic (11%, damn raisin-y barley wine) are saying eff that, except without cursing, because it’s still Utah. Plus, the 3.2 beer legend isn’t even true -- for one, it’s actually 3.2% by weight, which means it’s in fact a whopping 4% by volume, and, for two, you just have to avoid the gas station and hit the government-run package store for the real stuff. Or, like, be in another state.

20. Texas
The only state to declare its own separate national beer and the home to venerable Shiner, craft beer has truly been exploding in Texas in recent years. Well, that’s been happening basically everywhere, but it’s Texas, so the explosion FEELS bigger. The Sours and Saisons coming out of Jester King are no joke. Wordplay! But for serious, they’re legit. Houston’s Saint Arnold, one of the OG’s of the Texas craft scene, continually turns heads with its special releases. Deep Ellum has been steadily making waves in DFW. Whether or not you’re drinking a Lone Star, it’s a good time to be drinking in the Lone Star State.

19. Delaware
It feels a little crazy to put a state this high basically on the strength of a single brewery, but it feels less crazy when said brewery is Dogfish Head, which has thus far managed the tricky balancing act of becoming an absolute powerhouse while maintaining serious quality and a distinct lack of the “they’re too big now” cliche that beer snobs sometimes fall into. For a state with a lack of glitz and glamour that made for arguably the best joke in Wayne’s World, Dogfish Head gives them some cache and a top 20 ranking to boot.

18. Indiana
The NASCAR set might account for beer drankin’, but it’s hard to overlook the presence of Three Floyds, whose Dark Lord Imperial Stout, Zombie Dust, and Dreadnaught IPA represent some of the Midwest’s most beloved beers. Throw in Shoreline’s bourbon-barrel stout and Upland’s lambics, and you’ve got enough powerhouse brewing to make it impossible to ignore Indy.

17. Florida
When you live in Florida, you have to deal with all the other people who live in Florida, not to mention the people who visit. So it’s nice that the rest of the normal, beer-loving folk have some excellent options to calm their nerves. Rapp and 7venth Sun represent some intriguing rising stars, and Funky Buddha’s Maple Bacon Coffee Porter is rightfully an object of obsession. But the shining-est star of Florida’s beer scene is Tampa’s Cigar City, which can go beer-to-beer with anyone. Hunahpu’s is about as flawless a rendition of the “people will line up to get this” imperial stout as you’ll find anywhere.

16. Minnesota
The most famous beer-beard in Minneapolis belongs to the guy behind Dangerous Man Brewing, who, by all accounts, is a totally nice dude. And considering that he’s pledged in a Hill Farmstead-y way to simply running a primo tap room and never bottling or distributing a drop, he’s also the perfect one to cement the Minnesota brew movement -- a quiet but supremely burly scene that most people outside the state don’t even know exists. Surly’s locally famed cans just made it to Chicago, but to drink many of the rest -- Summit, 612Brew, Harriet, Lucid, and the next big thing, Fulton -- you’ve gotta make a trip to the Twin Cities. Might be worth staying a few days.

15. North Carolina
North Carolina, raise up, do not spin your beer around like a helicopter ‘cause then it’ll explode everywhere, and that’d suck, since many of them are quite delicious. Foothills’ Jade IPA is fantastically drinkable (which might not be the exact way you’d describe its superb Bourbon Barrel-Aged Sexual Chocolate Imperial Stout), while Fullsteam, Big Boss, Highland, and Mother Earth cover about as much territory as a drinker could hope. And they don’t, like, make the beer, but Sam's Quik Shop in Durham is one of the coolest places to buy it in the country -- don’t be fooled just because it looks like a gas station convenience store that’s about to get held up.

14. Maine
Last year, I spent a week in an extremely non-air-conditioned cabin in Belfast, Maine. I cooled off with Allagash Saison during the day, distracted myself from mosquitos via Shipyard XXXX IPA come night, and, in between, sipped Summer Session Ales from Peak Organic, so I could feel healthy or whatever. It basically all comes from Portland, a beer boomlet that challenges even its West Coast namesake thanks to dozens of full-scale operations and brewpubs that ensure all those lobster rolls are properly accompanied.

13. Illinois
It marked the end of a craft beer era in Illinois when Goose Island was bought out by the big boys, but it remains a local fixture, and all the whimpers about “selling out” seem to mysteriously vanish anytime they’re releasing a special Bourbon County Stout variant as everyone scrambles to get their hands on some. That’s not to say Goose was the only game in town (which felt like the case not all that long ago). Half Acre, Revolution, and Pipeworks are all expanding their reach at an impressive clip, and Chicago has gone from a bit of a behind-the-times beer town to quickly accelerating towards the front of the pack.

12. Ohio
Great Lakes. That’s all you need to know. Except not really, since you should also be very, very aware of IBU boundary-defiers Hoppin’ Frog, the newly dominating Rust Belt, Cinci’s Christian Moerlein, rapidly expanding Fat Head's (they’re not just life-size wall stickers of NFL players and the Jonas Brothers anymore!), and barrel-aging fiends Thirsty Dog. Yes, much of Cleveland’s economy is based on LeBron James. But thanks to joints like Nano Brew and open fermentation hideaway Indigo Imp, it's only a matter of time before beer catches up.

11. Missouri
Sure, the baseball stadium in St. Louis was named for beer before stadium naming rights really became a thing, but Missouri has plenty going for it beer-wise besides a certain iconic American brand calling it home. Boulevard is NOT made of broken dreams, but rather delicious beer, particularly their Belgian stuff. And right in Budweiser’s backyard you’ve got standout brews from the likes of Schlafly and Perennial. Have you had the latter's Barrel-Aged Abraxas? No? You should do something about that.

10. Massachusetts
We may take them as a given today, but you can’t deny Sam Adams’ role in ushering in the era of SO MUCH GOOD BEER in America that even folks in Mississippi will be upset about their ranking because there are breweries everywhere (even if most of them don’t have the resources to make a crazy decadent and resource-intensive brew like Utopias). Of course, plenty of other standout breweries have followed in Sam Adams’ wake in the Bay State, from Harpoon and Night Shift, to Clown Shoes, Trillium, and Jack’s Abby.

9. New York
Brooklyn’s so huge you can drink it in Helsinki, Blue Point’s recent sale to Anheuser-Busch made them somehow feel even bigger than that, and Ommegang cross-brands delicious Game of Thrones stouts with Hound-like abandon. But New York brewing is still about the small-scale local guys who keep outdoing themselves, from upstate’s venerable Captain Lawrence, to recent scene-stealer Other Half, to Jeppe Jarnit-Bjergsø, the scraggly-bearded, Brooklyn-based, gypsy-brewing genius behind Evil Twin -- praise his Even More Jesus, fear his Molotov Cocktail.

8. Pennsylvania
Tröegs, Stoudt’s, Yards, Victory, Voodoo, Sly Fox, Weyerbacher: all always fantastic. Iron City: one of the world’s most lovable crappy beers. Yuengling: maybe not what craft-heads crave, but it’s the country’s oldest brewery (wait, you haven’t had someone drinking Yuengling tell you that?!?), and the very stuff that splashed out of dance-floor Solo cups all night at my cousin’s wedding in a barn on a PA sheep farm. Part of William Penn’s ‘’Great Treaty” to secure his land involved giving up a barrel of beer; we all got plenty back in return.

7. Wisconsin
There was a time when Milwaukee made approximately every beer consumed by every man who came home from work with grease on his shirt. Today, those canned brands of yesteryear are dead, or sold off and made in, like, California. But the Brothers Leinenkugel are statewide icons, New Glarus’ Spotted Cow is the first beer referenced by cheeseheads everywhere (even though nobody can get it outside the state), the baseball team’s name is the damn Brewers, and there used to be an urban legend that Miller Park’s taps were fueled by a beer pipe that ran directly from the brewery. An urban legend we will perpetuate, right here. Miller Park’s taps are fueled by a beer pipe that runs directly from the brewery!

6. Vermont
I once went into a beer store in Burlington asking for Heady Topper, and they laughed and laughed and told me to come back really early on Monday morning, so I could maybe score some in the half-hour before it sold out. But The Alchemist’s cult cans are only part of the story in the state with the US’s most breweries per-capita. See/drink Harpoon, Fiddlehead, craft harbinger Magic Hat, Long Trail, Lawson’s Finest Liquids (check the maple bourbon barrel-aged Sticky), and most prominently, Hill Farmstead, which many consider the world’s most currently dialed-in beer-maker, despite its tired “barn brewery to slightly larger barn brewery” origin tale.

5. Washington
Washington has long been one of the most formidable beer states, growing the majority of the country’s hops and giving hipsters something to drink with Olympia and Rainier, until those breweries sold out like so many grunge bands. We kid, of course, because Washington’s home to more than 200 breweries, highlighted by greatness like Seattle’s Elysian and Pike, the organic pioneers of Olympia’s Fish, Stevenson’s powerhouse Homo Erectus-brewing Walking Man, and Tacoma’s Harmon. But Washington also achieves greatness with “micro” beers for the masses, brewers like Pyramid and Redhook that bottle inexpensive bombers that help convert the skeptics across the nation to craft beer via the allure of a lower price tag. That, of course, draws the ire of beer snobs... something that always happens when a local company finds tremendous success. Especially in Seattle. Because popularity is sooooooo lame. But lucky for them, there are enough breweries in the state to let them have a lesser-known go-to pint, and a quality one at that.

4. Michigan
The Great Lakes State may not be a prolific hops producer, or contain one brewery for every man, woman, and child (they do have about two for every 100,000 adults, according to the Brewers Association). But mittens were meant for holding cold brews, and Michigan happens to host some of the best damned breweries in the country.

There’s a reason that the annual release of Bell’s Oberon is like a state holiday, and why its Two-Hearted is consistently ranked among the best IPAs in the world, even as many drinkers don’t realize it’s an IPA. Or why Larry Bell’s neighbors to the North, Grand Rapids’ Founders, has become one of the nation’s most respected brewers, so much so that Grand Rapids is now on the map as a destination beer city. Why, folks set up shop in the tiny lake town of Bellaire just to sip Short's, or head South to Dexter for a look at how Jolly Pumpkin is made.

Beer in Michigan is a way of life, an economic booster that’s helping Detroit pull out of the apocalypse and a soul cleanser up in the UP, where long winters are made better with a growler from Ore Dock. And if that’s not convincing enough, consider this: in Ann Arbor and East Lansing, when the chaos of a tailgate clears, you’ll see as many empty bottles of craft beer scattered about as you will tallboys with holes punched in the side. In Michigan, beer love starts early.

3. Colorado
Everywhere you look in Colorado -- literally everywhere -- there is beer. There is no escaping the beer. This is a good thing. Everyone with a beard brews beer, and everyone has a beard, which, by the law of syllogism or something, means literally everyone brews beer. And, damn, do they do it well.

Oskar Blues started the craft can revolution, and if you haven’t had a GUBNA, change that. Avery has an entire run of bombers called the Dictator Series. New Belgium is distributing with the big boys thanks to an amber ale and a cruiser bike. Crooked Stave is souring things that man previously assumed un-sour-able. Great Divide has proven once and for all that the Yeti exists, and he will eff you the hell up. And the whole state’s in on it -- even the guy who just had a frozen chocolatini with dinner can rattle off 10 upstart breweries you won’t hear of for years. Beer is everywhere. Everywhere is beer.

2. California
Manifest Destiny gave us California, and it gave us back beer. Literally, the entire state makes the stuff, from Weed Alehouse & Bistro in a city called Weed (seriously) about 40 minutes from the Oregon border, all the way down to San Diego, which we’re gonna go ahead and deem the most dominating beer city in world history -- thanks to Stone and Green Flash of course, but also Port, Coronado, Lost Abbey, Ballast Point, AleSmith (find their Wee Heavy), and the other 70+ operations brewing flawless beer with abandon.

God, there’s just so much to talk about here. Without hoppy vanguard Sierra Nevada, 99% of the beers we’re lauding (and... this story!) probably wouldn’t exist. Lagunitas’ commitment to growing national distribution while maintaining quality is second to none. 21st Amendment has a Watermelon Wheat to lure the beer-scared in, plus a perfectly portioned canned Lower De Boom barley wine to finish them off. Anchor’s been making whatever the hell steam beer is for almost 120 years. Firestone Walker’s Double Jack is probably the most deceptive 9.5-percenter you’ll ever accidentally drink too much of. And then, of course, there’s Pliny. Pliny, Pliny, Pliny! Pliny. And no, it’s not overrated.

1. Oregon
California and Washington might have more brewers, but dammit, they’ve also got more people. More importantly, they don’t have the density of Oregon’s offerings. Or the quality. Oregon’s long been at the forefront of the craft industry, with brewers like Widmer Brothers, Rogue, Full Sail, and Deschutes leading the national charge as gateway beers for people who want something more out of their pints. But they’re just the OGs of what might be the epicenter of the craft beer movement.

Much ballyhoo has been made of the sheer number of breweries in the Portland metro area, which tops out at more than 70 and counting... but this isn’t a case of quantity over quality. It’s a case of quantity meeting quality head on. Portland houses an insurmountable number of great breweries -- not good, pretty good, or wonderful, but effin’ great breweries -- that are changing the landscape of modern brewing. Hair of the Dog, Breakside, Cascade, Upright, Ecliptic, the Commons, Burnside, Lompoc... it just keeps going. Even the “crappy” breweries by Portland standards would bury most of their peers based on pure deliciousness.

But that’s just one city in a state full of amazing brewers dotting the state, from the coastal Pelican to the high desert’s 10 Barrel, mid-state’s Ninkasi, Southern Oregon’s uncleverly named Southern Oregon Brewing, Mt. Hood’s Double Mountain... basically, if you enter a city or town in Oregon without a solid brewery, you’ve probably crossed into Washington or Idaho. Or maybe the capital of Salem... which sucks. But you’ll still find a great brewpub serving some of the best beer in America, made in Oregon, with Oregon hops, by a bearded Oregonian who’s probably in a band that sucks... that’s the Oregon way. Oregon beer, more than any, has helped introduce the masses to the potential of drinking great brews, and, with new breweries seemingly opening on a weekly basis, it’s the best damn place to be a beer lover in the US.
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you should also be very, very aware of . . . Cinci’s Christian Moerlein
Probably the one you should be least aware of, besides Mt. Carmel. Blank Slate, MadTree, Rhinegeist, and Rivertown are exponentially better.
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Spaten Oktoberfest all day today...welcoming fall and Packers season with 85 and severe storms here in NE WI.
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Going to Portland Oct 3-6, any brewery recommendations?

I live in the SF Bay Area so craft beer from Portland is always available, but I want to visit a great brewery.
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The scene here in Chicago has simply exploded in the last five years. There wasn't much back then, now there are new breweries every month. There must be close to 50 breweries just in Chicagoland now. The quality is really high as well. My favorite newer local breweries are Off Color, Spiteful and Une Annee.
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It's so overwhelming that I almost prefer the simplicity of Sam Adams, Blue Moon, Fat Tire, etc.
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These pumpkin beers all seem to have way more spice than last year in them. I am not a fan.
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Southern Tier's Warlock Pumpkin Stout is one of the greatest things I've ever tasted. I think this is the second year it is available.
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Going to Portland Oct 3-6, any brewery recommendations?

I live in the SF Bay Area so craft beer from Portland is always available, but I want to visit a great brewery.
Widmer's is an obvious choice. A classy brewpub. Rogue has better beer but it was pretty fucking hipster last time I went.
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Disregard both of those. Rogue is owned by douches, Widmer is partially owned by InBev.

Go to Deschutes, Hair of the Dog, and Cascade (if you like sours).
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Disregard both of those. Rogue is owned by douches, Widmer is partially owned by InBev.
Agree on both counts. Widmer beers just plain sucks now and Rogue is run by douchebags.
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I'm heading to the Great American beer fest in Denver Oct 1st, anyone have any recommendations for breweries to hit up? With over 700 breweries, and 3500 beers at least I know I can't hit everyone so looking for people's favorites.
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With over 700 breweries, and 3500 beers at least I know I can't hit everyone
Not with that attitude you won't.
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I'm heading to the Great American beer fest in Denver Oct 1st, anyone have any recommendations for breweries to hit up? With over 700 breweries, and 3500 beers at least I know I can't hit everyone so looking for people's favorites.
I've been there before, and here's what I can offer. Don't worry about the really big guys or really popular breweries. You'll spend a lot of time waiting in line for stuff that you can usually find at other places. Just walk around, take in the people watching and try a variety of brews. Don't be afraid to empty out some of your glass fills if you don't like it as there's plenty more available.
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I'm heading to the Great American beer fest in Denver Oct 1st, anyone have any recommendations for breweries to hit up? With over 700 breweries, and 3500 beers at least I know I can't hit everyone so looking for people's favorites.
Looks like Russian River Brewing will be there, and I'd say they are one of, if not THE best breweries in the world. They nail pretty much every style of beer, from IPA, to sours, to pilsners to Belgians; their beers are world class and second to none. They aren't "rare" in the traditional sense, but they are difficult to find since they always sell out quick, be it bottle or taps, because they are that good, and people know. And they're especially difficult to find outside of California. Since they'll be at that festival, I'd seek them out and ONLY drink their beers (if they bring a good cross section).

Also, a local favorite of mine, Bootleggers Brewery, will be there, and I would seek them out as well - they make stuff that sounds weird and/or strange, but they really let the flavor of the beer speak for the beer, and whatever else just enhances their beer.

Between these two breweries, I don't think you'd need much else.
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