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Take Your Kid to Work Day: Ur Doing It Wrong

Old 03-03-10, 01:36 PM
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Take Your Kid to Work Day: Ur Doing It Wrong

FAA: Child in air traffic tower talking to pilots 'not acceptable'

Washington (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating after an air traffic controller at New York's John F. Kennedy Airport brought his young child to work and allowed the child to communicate with planes, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN.

"Pending the outcome of our investigation, the employees involved in this incident are not controlling air traffic," the FAA said in a statement. "This behavior is not acceptable and does not demonstrate the kind of professionalism expected from all FAA employees."

However, Dave Pascoe, owner of liveatc.net, a Web site where the recording of the air traffic communications is posted, told CNN he believes the incident is "ridiculous" and has been "blown out of proportion."

In the recording, a child can be heard saying "Jet Blue 171, cleared for takeoff."

A man is then heard telling the plane, "Here's what you get, guys, when the kids are out of school."

The pilot chuckles and says, "Wish I could bring my kid to work." The same pilot later tells the child he did an "awesome job."

During the recording, which is dated February 17, the child also speaks to an apparent Air Mexico flight.

The source confirmed the incident to CNN. A second controller who was supposed to be in charge at the time "should be making sure that things like this don't happen," the source said.

The controller who brought the child to work later reported that he had done so, the source said. The controllers involved have been assigned to other duties pending the outcome of the investigation.

But Pascoe said, "Nobody in the aviation community felt like this was anything more than a noble thing, that a father would take his kid to work.

"And when you listen to any of the recordings, the situation in the tower is very controlled. There is no hint ... that anyone was too busy or anyone was interrupting the planes. The kid cleared two airplanes. It was very controlled and I don't think safety was compromised, nor should anyone be disciplined for this," said Pascoe, who is also a pilot.

The recording was from a network of receivers, he said, but couldn't reveal the source. The site, he said, exists for pilot education and sometimes other curious parties listen in. There was "absolutely no security threat" posed by the incident, he said.

"I have every belief that they'd make sure there were additional eyes there," Pascoe said. "Only the best of the best work at JFK tower and they are the best at what they do."

"It was one incident where a kid was up in the control tower," he said. "If you know anything about aviation, you know that the air traffic control towers are highly supervised. JFK is highly supervised. It's not just one controller controlling the runway. Supervisors are there and multiple people are there making sure by looking through binoculars and at radar ... a father was taking a child to work and let the kid clear planes for take off and now the world thinks it's an unsafe place."

The National Air Traffic Controllers Association, the union representing controllers, said in a statement, "We do not condone this type of behavior in any way.

"It is not indicative of the highest professional standards that controllers set for themselves and exceed each and every day in the advancement of aviation safety," association spokesman Doug Church said in the statement.

But "this is a ridiculous story," Pascoe said. "... It was blown out of proportion. Considering how skittish the public is, maybe it shouldn't be done, but I think there should be a procedure to allow visitors in the control tower."
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So ... horrific endangerment of hundreds of passengers or silly non-event being blown out of proportion?
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Silly non event. Its not like the kid was running the show, he was controlled and got a cool experience too.
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My kid is pretty good at that air traffic controller iphone app, so I imagine he'd do just fine in the real tower in a pinch.
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Silly non-event that endangered of hundreds of passengers.

Honestly though, this really sucks for the kid. He's going to potentially blame himself in some capacity for his dad's job loss for a long time to come. Obviously the parent is to blame, unless we hear more about the story that would indicate otherwise.

It would seem this could have been pulled off in a perfectly safe fashion, and likely was. But based on the FAA response, this was a big no-no. Bummer all around.
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Not a big deal. People are such pussies.
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I let my kids write and submit motions in my cases.

They win more often than the motions I write.
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controlled event. However if you want to prevent this in the future just put communication out..no kids on the air.

done.
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Maybe that explains why the last thing I remember seeing while going under during my last operation was a 5 year old turning the dials.
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Not a national news event, but definitely not appropriate. The father should know better. Not only is his attention diverted by his kid's active participation, but the kid might be misunderstood or misunderstand his father's instructions. This is a runway incursion waiting to happen.
Reminds me of the case of the Russian pilot who let his teenage son take control of the plane. The son wrenched the yoke, overriding the autopilot, and the plane slowly rolled off-course unnoticed, finally diving into the ground and killing everyone on board.
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Unless the pilots knew this was going to happen, it's inappropriate.
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Not a national news event, but definitely not appropriate. The father should know better. Not only is his attention diverted by his kid's active participation, but the kid might be misunderstood or misunderstand his father's instructions. This is a runway incursion waiting to happen.
Reminds me of the case of the Russian pilot who let his teenage son take control of the plane. The son wrenched the yoke, overriding the autopilot, and the plane slowly rolled off-course unnoticed, finally diving into the ground and killing everyone on board.

Himself included, right? Lesson learned!
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This isn't a big deal. It's not like dad told the kid to take control while he slipped away for another drink. He was there and telling the kid what to say - if the kid had said it wrong he would have corrected the situation. I don't see a problem with it and the pilots seemed to like it. Yeah I know that if they don't clamp down on this then it'll be chaos with kids, friends, neighbors, etc all taking their turn so they have to do what they have to do but saying lives were in danger is nonsense.
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What if Al-Qaeda had picked that day to unleash their elite unit of "Underoos bombers"?
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No big whoop. Pop broke a rule and got smacked down for it.
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I have a feeling this would be a good plot thread for "The Hurt Locker 2: Baghdad Boogaloo"
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My kid is pretty good at that air traffic controller iphone app, so I imagine he'd do just fine in the real tower in a pinch.
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Maturity tells!

I've been lurking at this other forum-which-shall-remain-nameless and the general consensus there is that the FAA is an oppressive and domineering entity enforcing pointless rules.

Yeah, it's a cesspit, but entertaining.
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I don't see this as that big of a deal. Maybe not the best choice by the dad, but I don't see the outrage over this and I don't think he should lose his job over this.
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Would anybody who thinks this is no big deal have a problem if your surgeon did the same thing while you were in the operating room?

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