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Old 05-05-09, 02:05 PM
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Need help with this light fixture thingy....




This is from a yard light on my shop. The snow built up on it and the cover broke a few of the screws and down it came. I don't even know what this thing is called, but I need a new one. Anyone know what it is or what to find it?

Replacing the whole fixture would be incredibly difficult because of how this was done. Any suggestions would be great.
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New screws won't suffice? It might be cheaper just to buy a new fixture and replace the part.
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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

When the screws broke, they actually took out the surrounding aluminum, so there is nothing for them to screw in.
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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

Use bigger screws maybe?

Perhaps a Home Depot may have a collection of parts, or at least the knowledge of the name?
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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

I walked through there. I can't ever find anyone that knows anything.
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I walked through there. I can't ever find anyone that knows anything.
That's Home Depot for you.
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You might be able to find a weld shop that could tack some nuts for new screws to screw into. May as well have it done to all three.
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fixture canopy?
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Why do I get the feeling that this is really your version of this?

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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

I think it is called a "bell" because it kind of looks like one, and the people who name these things aren't too imaginative.

Would I be right to guess the narrow, threaded end screws into the rest of the metal fixture, and the three screws secure a glass globe over the light bulb?

Usually, you can purchase replacement glass globes, but the metal parts, sorry to say, you are SOL. Where the ripped-out screws are, I suggest pounding it flat and slipping a Tinnerman nut over it (a flat metal clip, punched so the hole provides one thread to engage a screw). It won't be pretty, but it might work.
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I think it is called a "bell" because it kind of looks like one, and the people who name these things aren't too imaginative.

Would I be right to guess the narrow, threaded end screws into the rest of the metal fixture, and the three screws secure a glass globe over the light bulb?

Usually, you can purchase replacement glass globes, but the metal parts, sorry to say, you are SOL. Where the ripped-out screws are, I suggest pounding it flat and slipping a Tinnerman nut over it (a flat metal clip, punched so the hole provides one thread to engage a screw). It won't be pretty, but it might work.

It's a green metal cover rather than a glass globe, but essentially the same thing. It's up pretty high and the cover conceals everything, so pretty won't matter. I"ll give that a try.
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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

Maybe you could get a bit of pipe, and tap new screw holes through that.
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Just drill new holes in that one.
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That doesn't look like a very practical candle-holder.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
I walked through there. I can't ever find anyone that knows anything.
That's the power... of The Home Depot.
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Just drill new holes in that one.
This is what I would do.
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Just drill new holes in that one.
Unfortunately to make the thread, the hole either needs to be pierced (to elongate) it and tapped, or it needs to be punched with a special punch that kicks one side up the other down to form a (crude) thread (which is how they make a Tinnerman). I doubt Dave has suitable tools. I know I don't.

Although if he switches to sheet metal screws, drilling new holes could work.
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That's called the 'shade holder' or 'lamp shade holder' kvr.

As long as I'm seeing that right and it's the part where the 'fitter' of the glass/metal shade or shroud fits into it and you tighten the screws to hold that in place over the bulb.

Finding that exact one is going to be hard.
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Is the shade metal or even a thick plastic? You could put the shade back in, drill holes in the shade and use a screw and nut to hold it in place.
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Re: Need help with this light fixture thingy....

My degree in Appalachian Engineering leads me to the following possibilities:

A) I think the simplest solution is the one OldDude suggested. Drill small holes near where the ones ripped out and use a couple sheet metal screws.

B) I assume there is a lip at the base of the globe that the set screws lock into when tightened. Itís hard to tell by the pictures, but there appears to be a lip at the bottom edge of the metal part. If so, you might be able to use a longer set screw to firmly press the globe against the opposite side of the metal housing. If there is no lip on the housing that matches the globe, you could possibly create one by carefully bending the metal inward on the sides with the missing screws.

C) I would only try this one if you are fully confident in your knowledge of the redneck repair sciences. Using sheet metal shears, cut from the edge of the metal housing into each hole that was ripped out. Bend the edges inward slightly as described in B above. Place the globe in the housing and tighten the existing screw as far a possible. Use a hose clamp of sufficient size around the base of the housing where the globe meets it thereby crimping the housing and holding the globe in place.

D) Forget the fixture and duct tape a flashlight to the wall of your shop.

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just get a new sconce?
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Can you drill holes in the green metal shade thingy, and use a simple nut-and-bolt attachment? If the load from snow ripped through the sheet metal, I'm not sure how well those clips will hold up.

And why would it be incredibly difficult to wire in a new fixture?

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Obviously, you've never been over to kvrdave's house. Have you.
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just get a new sconce?
Without trying to offend anyone, I think you have to be gay to use that word in a sentence, unless the sentence is, "What the fuck is a sconce?"
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Can you drill holes in the green metal shade thingy, and use a simple nut-and-bolt attachment? If the load from snow ripped through the sheet metal, I'm not sure how well those clips will hold up.

And why would it be incredibly difficult to wire in a new fixture?
It was a custom thing done decades ago (not by me) that used a single metal tube in a way that makes it the lamp post as well as the conduit, etc.

I think I will go with sheet metal screws into the shade. It won't be visible, so it should work fine.
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