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Old 05-01-08, 11:07 AM
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WSOP: Main Event 2008 news (and scheduling change)

Looks like a change for the better IMO. I don't care about the 117 day wait.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/poker...-30-WSOP_N.htm

World Series of Poker stretches out Main Event
By Gary Mihoces, USA TODAY

You've just made the final table in July in the Main Event at the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas. You're one of nine players with a shot at millions. You're hot.

Now you have to wait until Nov. 9 for the next hand to be dealt.

No problem, says two-time Main Event champion Johnny Chan, who welcomes the WSOP's move to delay the final table to facilitate a Nov. 11 ESPN telecast within hours of the tournament's finish.

"Poker is a game of skill. The hands are random. It's how you play your hand. I don't believe in hot streaks," Chan says.

Past final tables have been played in July, with ESPN airing its taped show in November.

Chan says the new format will allow players to connect with sponsors who "come to them and say, 'Hey, wear this patch or wear this logo. We'll give you X amount of dollars.' "

While poker pro Daniel Negreanu also applauds the timetable, he says it will make for a "different dynamic" at the final table. "You're going to see some really kind of more sophisticated play," he says.

The WSOP is a 55-event series of tournaments that begins May 30. ESPN will begin airing taped broadcasts of various events July 22. Negreanu expects players at the final table to monitor those.

"They're going to watch the ESPN broadcasts and go, 'Oh, did you notice that? When he does this, he's bluffing,' " Negreanu says.

He says players also can get coaching. He likens it to Super Bowl coaches getting two weeks to make a game plan: "Great players and amateurs alike will have an opportunity to really devise schemes and plans for how they're going to play."

In a news release issued by PokerStars, an online poker site, 2004 Main Event champion Greg Raymer says he is torn about the new format because of the potential for coaching.

"It might be huge for the continued growth of poker; however, the down side is this long gap allows the players to become completely different people between the time they make the final table and when they play it," says Raymer, a member of Team PokerStars.

For ESPN, there also will be a change in the dynamic. The title figures to be won in the early hours of Nov. 11, with the two-hour telecast of the final table set for 9 p.m. ET. "The champion will be crowned on the day of air. We're very excited about this change," ESPN senior producer Jamie Horowitz says.

ESPN will air a special Nov. 4 showing what the players have done between the July determination of the final nine and the final table.

"We want to detail that journey," Horowitz says.

What if something happens that precludes a player from playing at the final table? The WSOP has accounted for that. A player who does not appear will have his chips "blinded off," which means they will be paid into mandatory bets for each hand. When a competitor's last chip is played, he will be paid for where he finishes.

Two-time Main Event champion Doyle Brunson would prefer each player to be allowed an alternate, "somebody that's not considered to be a player with abilities above their own." Though Brunson, 74, has reservations about the delay being "overkill," he'd have no qualms about having to deal with it.

"No, I'll try to hang on another four months," he said, laughing.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/poker...telecast_N.htm

New WSOP format allows for 'almost virtually real time' telecast
By Gary Mihoces, USA TODAY

The World Series of Poker is really going to put the hold into Texas Hold 'em.
The NFL has a two-week break before the Super Bowl. College football teams in the BCS championships get more than a month off.

This year's field of thousands in the WSOP's main event will get down the final nine July 14. Instead of playing it out right then in Las Vegas, final table action won't begin until Nov. 9, a hiatus of 117 days.

The past format has been to finish in July, with a tape-delayed telecast in November on ESPN. This year, the champion figures to be decided in the early hours of Nov. 11, with a two-hour taped and edited telecast of the final table set for 9 p.m. that night on ESPN.

Live airing would be complicated by the unpredictable pace of poker and block use of the hole-card camera, which gives a TV peak at the two cards dealt face down to each player in Texas Hold 'em.

Jeffrey Pollack, WSOP commissioner, says the new format allows for an "almost virtually real time" telecast. "This is no different than the final chapter of American Idol or The Apprentice. It's about building interest and excitement for the final chapter of this story," says Pollack.

The WSOP says its 15-member Player Advisory Council was consulted on the switch.

"It's going to create way more buzz. It's going to be more like a live event," says Daniel Negreanu, a council member who applauds the move.

Says Doyle Brunson, two-time main event winner: "Frankly, I don't like it. I guess it will create a lot of hype. ... It seems a little overkill or something to me."

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Interesting news. Obviously, if you are at the final table it allows you to read up, watch video of your opponents, possibly giving you an advantage. Of course that assumes those people are pros.
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Speaking of WSOP, anyone planning on going this year?

I might want to play one of the $1,500 NL HE events (and there are 7 of these):
Event 2 / May 31: $1,500 NL HE
Event 27 / June 14: $1,500 NL HE
Event 32 / June 17: $1,500 NL HE
Event 36 / June 19: $1,500 NL HE
Event 39 / June 21: $1,500 NL HE
Event 49 / June 28: $1,500 NL HE
Event 52 / June 30: $1,500 NL HE

Plus there are these with slight variations:
Event 9 / June 5: $1,500 NL HE (6-handed)
Event 17 / June 9: $1,500 NL HE (Shootout)
Event 41 / June 22: $1,500 HE (Limit/NL Mixed)
Event 44 / June 25: $1,000 NL HE (With Rebuys)

For reference, the $10,000 Main Event is:
Event 54 / July 3: $10,000 NL HE
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I like this, who cares if we don't get to read on the internet or watch a bootleg stream of the person winning in July. For the past few years the tourney has been stuck in neutral becasue you could go online and see who won 4 months before the broadcast.
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Originally Posted by sauce07
I like this, who cares if we don't get to read on the internet or watch a bootleg stream of the person winning in July. For the past few years the tourney has been stuck in neutral becasue you could go online and see who won 4 months before the broadcast.

That's why I like the change. I can reasonably avoid the spoiler with this. It would also be nice if ESPN devoted a large undefined programming block to the final-2. With these ESPN packaged presentations, when it hit the :58 part of the timeslot, you knew the all-in player was going to lose on that hand.
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As a player, this is simply retarded
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Originally Posted by namja
Speaking of WSOP, anyone planning on going this year?

I might want to play one of the $1,500 NL HE events (and there are 7 of these):
Event 2 / May 31: $1,500 NL HE
Event 27 / June 14: $1,500 NL HE
Event 32 / June 17: $1,500 NL HE
Event 36 / June 19: $1,500 NL HE
Event 39 / June 21: $1,500 NL HE
Event 49 / June 28: $1,500 NL HE
Event 52 / June 30: $1,500 NL HE

Plus there are these with slight variations:
Event 9 / June 5: $1,500 NL HE (6-handed)
Event 17 / June 9: $1,500 NL HE (Shootout)
Event 41 / June 22: $1,500 HE (Limit/NL Mixed)
Event 44 / June 25: $1,000 NL HE (With Rebuys)

For reference, the $10,000 Main Event is:
Event 54 / July 3: $10,000 NL HE

If I had the cash I would love to do some of the smaller events. Especially the 6 handed I really like playing six handed online.
Old 05-03-08, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
That's why I like the change. I can reasonably avoid the spoiler with this. It would also be nice if ESPN devoted a large undefined programming block to the final-2. With these ESPN packaged presentations, when it hit the :58 part of the timeslot, you knew the all-in player was going to lose on that hand.

i hated that too - happens with all poker shows. you know whos going to win by whoever is the chip leader with a few minutes left in the show.

anyways, im happy for the change because its become impossible to avoid spoilers from when the winner actually wins vs when its shown on tv. ive tried so hard the last few years and every year somehow i find out. either radio, tv, newspaper, internet...you cant avoid it.
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So does this mean an end to the PPV? Or will they still have the PPV with the TV version to follow hours later? I was bored and actually got the PPV last year. I actually enjoyed it despite no cameras in the "hole". The best part of it was the commentary and frequent poker pros that would call in or visit to give their analysis on the hands. It was 100x better than listening to those two d-bags on the ESPN telecasts. I don't think I watched one event on ESPN last year.
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I can't make it this year but I'm thinking about playing there next year.
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As a player I would hate this but as a viewer I think it is awesome.
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The only event I am thinking of playing is the $1500 Razz event on June 13th.

Basically, I'm only going to play it if I can freeroll into it by winning/cashing in the Binion's Razz tournament on Wednesday of that same week, or win enough in the 15/30 Razz cash game that will start in early June.
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Name pros win WSOP bracelets so far:

Spoiler:
Negreanu - Limit Hold em
Matusow - No Limit 2-7 Lowball Draw w/ rebuys
Lindgren - Mixed Hold Em
David Singer - PL Hold Em
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Wow. Glad to see
Spoiler:
Lindgren
get one.
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A few more in the "year of the 'name' pro":

Spoiler:

Max Pescatori - PL HE/Omaha
Kenny Tran - NL Heads Up
Barry Greenstein - Razz
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Huge final table that will almost definitely be shown on TV. Pot Limit Omaha w/ Rebuys, $4700 buy-in:

Name pros battling:

Spoiler:

Benyamine
Juanda
Chan
Hellmuth
Negreanu
Galfond
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Damn, did all the amateurs not show up this year?
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Well to be fair, most of the events the pros are winning are small-field, high buy-in events that most amateurs don't have the cash to put down.
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Count how many "pros" won last year. I don't know the exact count, but it seems like there are already more that have won this year as compared to last.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
Huge final table that will almost definitely be shown on TV. Pot Limit Omaha w/ Rebuys, $4700 buy-in:

Name pros battling:

Spoiler:

Benyamine
Juanda
Chan
Hellmuth
Negreanu
Galfond

I don't think it will be televised. It's not on their TV schedule (beware spoiler-results in this link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ory?id=3151500

Only 1 Omaha match is schedule to be aired (the $10K buy-in one).
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They'd be foolish not to televise that final table. It might be the most star-studded final table since poker hit its popularity boom. It wouldn't surprise me if they altered their schedule to adjust for that final table.

FWIW,
Spoiler:

Galfond (aka "OMGClayAiken" in Full Tilt's high stakes games) won the event.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
They'd be foolish not to televise that final table. It might be the most star-studded final table since poker hit its popularity boom. It wouldn't surprise me if they altered their schedule to adjust for that final table.

FWIW,
Spoiler:

Galfond (aka "OMGClayAiken" in Full Tilt's high stakes games) won the event.

That's exactly what I said after Jennifer Tilly won the ladies event a year or 2 ago. That event was never shown. I think they pre-plan the events they show and only on those events do they have the whole production set up.
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There's a rumor flying around that

Spoiler:

Negreanu rebought 15-18 times for the event.


Talk about the most degen tournament in the world.
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BTW for those who want to watch some of these tables live, ESPN360.com streams the final tables live without hole-card cams.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
There's a rumor flying around that

Spoiler:

Negreanu rebought 15-18 times for the event.


Talk about the most degen tournament in the world.
Spoiler:
According to PokerListings, he spent $85k on the tournament+rebuys (so 17 entries including the original $5k), but he made $125k for his finish, so it works out.

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