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Old 03-28-08, 01:26 PM
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Europe's Large Hardon Collider may cause mini black hole, end reality as we know it

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Cern slapped with doomsday lawsuit
Earth will disappear into a black hole, says nuclear safety officer

Written by Iain Thomson

A US District Court in Hawaii has been petitioned to stop the operation of the Cern Large Hardon Collider (LHC) over fears that it might cause the end of the world.

Walter Wagner, a former nuclear safety officer, has filed the suit as he fears that the LHC could create a mini black hole that could swallow the planet.

He also expressed concerns that transmuting matter into so-called strangelets could change all other matter into a similar form.

[ Edited to add: All matter on Earth would turn into non-atomic matter ]

The claims have been dismissed by physicists at Cern. "Some physicists suggest that microscopic black holes could be produced in the collisions at the LHC," said the organisation in a statement.

"However, these would only be created with the energies of the colliding particles, which is equivalent to the energies of mosquitoes."

Cern insisted that no microscopic black holes produced inside the LHC could generate a strong enough gravitational force to pull in surrounding matter.

"If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much higher energies would already have produced many more," the statement added.

"Since the Earth is still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC are harmful."

This is not the first time that the safety of the LHC has been called into question. Russian scientists suggested last month that time travel may occur when the LHC fires up later this year.

It is unclear why Wagner's lawsuit has been filed in Hawaii, since the LHC is located under the Swiss/French border and has no links with the US.

The LHC forms a 27km circle and is the world's largest piece of laboratory equipment.

Once active it will fire a stream of protons into each other at near light speed. The resulting collisions will generate examples of material found in the first seconds of the universe.
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Personally, I don't know if I'd trust the word of some Hawaiian nuclear safety officer (probably from Sector 7G) over the word of respected European lab techs studying hardons and their collisions.

My guess is the universe will not cave in on itself.
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I don't really care for reality as we know it, so that's just fine by me.
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that's too awesome for words...

i was reading about this a ways back on another forum...

i, for one, welcome our new black hole overlords...

(YES!)
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Here's more detailed information:

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I look at that pic and all I can think of is "resistance is futile".
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If you're colliding your hardon, you're doing it wrong.
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<img src="http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/system/files/20070215_hadron2.jpg">

How can you not like headlines like "Dark matter and 'God particle' within reach"?
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1043?page=1
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Another article I read about this stated that they might actually create the black hole, but also open up a mini wormhole for a split nano-second - which could in essence make 2008 "Year Zero" for time travel.

And here's an article from the same magazine crapping on the whiners who say the earth will be swallowed.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-earth.html
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Not if the Suliban have anything to say about it.
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From their website - here is the location:

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From your article:

"What we want to do is get this machine up and running," Gillies says. "We'll show people that the world is not going to disappear."
And if it does, well... then that doesn't matter either.
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Wasn't this an episode of Odyssey 5?
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I say fire up the colliding hardons, spitting in the face of reality as we know it!

While I've not personally known black holes, I've always found myself intrigued by them and would welcome the enhanced opportunity to come upon such gateways...
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I think they're actually constructing a Death Star.
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I saw a movie about colliding hardons once. Uhhh accidentally.
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Don't they say this everytime a new particle collider comes online?
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They initially worried about a nuclear bomb causing a chair reaction in the sky.

This will do some amazing stuff. But if time travel is possible as a result, you can only do it from the point in time that the time machine is created, from what I understand. So we can't go back further than the origin of the time machine.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
This will do some amazing stuff. But if time travel is possible as a result, you can only do it from the point in time that the time machine is created, from what I understand. So we can't go back further than the origin of the time machine.
Which is what would make this possibly Year Zero. Because if the wormhole is opened, then in the future as they make methods of stabilizing them, they can find the other end of the one potentially opened by the collision - and come on back.
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I always knew some hard-on would destroy reality. I just always assumed it would be mine.
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All this talk about colliding hardons and black holes is very stimulating. I need a rag now!
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
I always knew some hard-on would destroy reality. I just always assumed it would be mine.
Not enough mass.
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The good news is that if Earth goes, France will be first.
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And to think the whole project is being run with Wang computers.

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