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Old 03-19-08, 11:18 AM
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71 MPG Hybrid Vehicle

VW's Golf Diesel Hybrid Debuts.


Tell Us Why You Love It
By Chuck Squatriglia March 05, 2008 | 1:39:54 PMCategories: Diesel, Geneva Motor Show, Hybrids
Volkswagen made it official and pulled the sheet off its awesome Golf TDI Hybrid at the Geneva Motor Show, and even though we've already given you the lowdown on the car and shown you some pictures, we'll give you the official word from VW because it's clear you all love this car.

As expected, the hybrid has a 1.2 liter three-cylinder diesel engine and a 220V electric motor. The electric motor gets the car moving at low speeds, with the 73 horsepower diesel kicking in only when extra oomph is needed (or wanted) and when cruising at highway speeds. The car also can run either in full-electric or full internal combustion mode, according to VW. Power is transferred through a seven-speed DSG transmission to the front wheels. The car also has start/stop capability and regenerative braking.

Subtle styling tweaks, including a narrower grille and smaller front air intakes, improve aerodynamics. VW says the Golf TDI Hybrid consumes 3.4 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers, which by our math is 71.4 mpg. That's a tad higher than the 69.9 cited in earlier reports, but either figure beats the gas-electric Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid by better than 20 mpg.

This car has generated a huge response - our first post garnered 321 comments at last count, and the follow-up brought 45 - which makes us wonder:

Why do you love this car?

More pics...



Volkswagen says the Golf TDI Hybrid is just a concept at this point, but Germany's Auto Bild and Britain's Auto Express say it's headed for production. Automakers often consider public response to a concept when pondering whether to build it, so if you want one, tell VW.







http://blog.wired.com/cars/200....html
Old 03-19-08, 11:25 AM
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Very nice, I hope it makes it into production and wide use.

Here is why I don't think it will. It will be too expensive, diesel fuel is priced even higher than gas and people complain about gas prices now.
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71 MPG.

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That and the fact that its HP and MPG are the same.
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with regular gas climbing to 4 bones, I wonder what diesel will climb to?
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Originally Posted by dick_grayson
with regular gas climbing to 4 bones, I wonder what diesel will climb to?
I've already seen diesel for over $4.
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It's about frickin' time.
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might have to get a second job to pay for the gas....


but the problem with hybrid vehicles is it costs more to get the car and the amount you save doesnt add up
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Finally a Hybrid car that doesn't look like a car drawn in the 50s meant to represent what cars will look like in 1987.
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They'll need to work on a sedan or minivan that can pull in that kind of MPG. A midget car is not big enough to drive a family around.
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The Golf body is a lot roomier than it looks. I have a GTI which confortably fits at least four and has a rather large trunk. For example, I was able to fit a full set of winter tires in my trunk.

I'd be curious to see more stats on this car, like what the horsepower is when it's running off the electric motor and the deisel engine. I've owned a 1971 Beetle and am not interested in another "0-60 (eventually)" vehicle.
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It is over $4 here. Diesel takes less to refine. Figure that out.

I would rather buy an electric commuter car or gas one that is built for mileage than have to worry about hybrids, personally.
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Originally Posted by GoVegan
The Golf body is a lot roomier than it looks. I have a GTI which confortably fits at least four and has a rather large trunk. For example, I was able to fit a full set of winter tires in my trunk.

I'd be curious to see more stats on this car, like what the horsepower is when it's running off the electric motor and the deisel engine. I've owned a 1971 Beetle and am not interested in another "0-60 (eventually)" vehicle.
The 0-20 will be very fast. The rest will be okay.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
It is over $4 here. Diesel takes less to refine. Figure that out.
What's the demand for diesel?
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Impressive car, but the math is wrong. 3.4 L/100 km converts as follows:
100 km = 62.13712 mi
3.4 L = 0.898185 (US) gallons
MPG = 69.18 miles per gallon
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Originally Posted by zuffy
They'll need to work on a sedan or minivan that can pull in that kind of MPG. A midget car is not big enough to drive a family around.
The head and leg room is fairly comparable to other small sedans like the Corolla and Civic.

MKV Golf:
Front Head Room, in. 39.3
Max. Front Leg Room, in. 41.2
Rear Head Room, in. 38.5
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 35.3

08 Corolla
Front Head Room, in. 39.1
Max. Front Leg Room, in. 41.3
Rear Head Room, in. 37.1
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 35.4

08 Civic Sedan
Front Head Room, in. 39.4
Max. Front Leg Room, in.42.2
Rear Head Room, in. 37.4
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 34.6
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Originally Posted by zuffy
They'll need to work on a sedan or minivan that can pull in that kind of MPG. A midget car is not big enough to drive a family around.
No, those cars work fine. They are certainly big enough. Maybe what you mean to say is that they are not big enough to be luxuriously comfortable.

How do you think the people who are not well-off/irresponsible enough to own an SUV manage?
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
What's the demand for diesel?
I would think that it has gone down with fewer diesel cars around, but they probably made up 0.01% anyway. The demand is pretty static on diesel because it is used for buses, farm equipment long haul truckers, etc.

While many of us can cut back on using gas, diesel moves the stuff we use, and grows the stuff we eat, so it can probably be increased easier if we want UPS to run, the mail, the goods, and the farms.
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Originally Posted by OldDude
Impressive car, but the math is wrong. 3.4 L/100 km converts as follows:
100 km = 62.13712 mi
3.4 L = 0.898185 (US) gallons
MPG = 69.18 miles per gallon
Suck it, Germans!!!!

Stupid metric system.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
I would think that it has gone down with fewer diesel cars around, but they probably made up 0.01% anyway. The demand is pretty static on diesel because it is used for buses, farm equipment long haul truckers, etc.
I wonder if this has anything to do with diesel vs. regular unleaded. Maybe the higher diesel cost is being used to offset unleaded prices? Kind of like how "premium" and "plus" fuel is now more than 5 or 10 cents more expensive?
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
I would think that it has gone down with fewer diesel cars around, but they probably made up 0.01% anyway. The demand is pretty static on diesel because it is used for buses, farm equipment long haul truckers, etc.

While many of us can cut back on using gas, diesel moves the stuff we use, and grows the stuff we eat, so it can probably be increased easier if we want UPS to run, the mail, the goods, and the farms.
Actually, we have closed all our factories and import everything from China (and other low wage countries). The demand for heavy residual oil (for ships) and diesel for trucks to haul it from port cities is way the hell up. (And the farmers need diesel to grow corn for ethanol)
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Suck it, Germans!!!!

Stupid metric system.
Actually, the US auto industry is metric too. We'd measure the same way. But we'd convert it for our customers to show we love them.

This automotive writer is certainly lacking a key job skill.
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Awesome. The money I save on gas can go towards the ridiculous amount of repairs VWs require.
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That really is a decent looking hybrid. I know if my commute was longer I'd have to give serious consideration to a car like that. Use one mainy for work and keep the CRV for family use.
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Originally Posted by mmconhea
Awesome. The money I save on gas can go towards the ridiculous amount of repairs VWs require.

so true. the biggest mistake of my life (other than breaking things off with Heidi Klum) was buying a VW. thing breaks more often than......celebrity marriage.

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