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Old 03-10-08, 06:28 PM
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Online poker cheating software

So on bodog the other day some guy was discussing the software he was using, he had 3 different programs going. I forget all the names, but these programs will tell your opponents betting behavior and tendencies and gives a hand history. Poker crusher seems to be one of them. I just think its ridiculous that this software is out there and people are using it and sites allow it. So a few of the guys at the table were talking about and were already well aware of what the programs do.

Also I cant verify this but one guy at another table said that bodog has bots. They sometimes take a little while to make a move as they are calculating odds and sometimes overbet. These are bots setup by bodog themselves supposedly.

I have pretty muched stopped playing. I won about $800 over a 10 day period pushing my bankroll to $1300 playing $.50/$1 tables, cashed out $600 and proceeded to lose the remaining $700. Only $20 of this was my original money and it took me months to get up to the $.50/$1 level, but the variances on bodog are so ridiculous. How do I have a hot streak where I went 10 days in a row plus money not losing one single day, I cash out and then I lose everyday for about 2 weeks straight. Everytime I cash out my bankroll gets killed on that site. Also if I won on sports wagers my poker money takes a hit and if I lose a sports wage I start making money on the table. Ive been playing on bodog for a few years so this isnt just something I noticed over a short period.
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Old 03-10-08, 06:31 PM
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I've played a bit at Bodog since that's where I do my sportsbook, but prefer FullTilt's poker much more
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Old 03-11-08, 11:39 AM
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Swings happen anywhere. I play at PokerRewards now. I'll crush it for weeks at a time, then will completely fall off the face of the Earth. You gotta measure success over a long time.

As for the software, yeah, there's all kinds of it out there. I don't use it, and I think a lot of folks who do become too dependant on it. It's probably a short-term benefit, but I think it may be a long-term detraction in that your skills erode.
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Old 03-11-08, 11:40 AM
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What are your thoughts on Poker Tracker?
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Old 03-11-08, 05:59 PM
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I use poker tracker with a Poker Ace Heads-up Display add-on.

Poker tracker acts as the database for all hands I am dealt cards in. It gives me player stats such as preflop raise percentage, how aggressive they are on the flop/turn/river, how often they see a flop, etc. Basically how loose/tight or passive/aggressive each player plays.

Setting this to import hands every 2 minutes, I can then have Poker Ace HUD display those stats on-screen in real-time.

Honestly, I prefer a world where none of these tools can exist (except for Poker Tracker for the support of analyzing your own hands & play) but the fact of the matter is that these tools do exist and will continue to exist and you're at a definitely disadvantage if you climb limits without these software tools.

Even worse is that Full Tilt allows flat-out datamining -- where you can get a script that will load tables while you're not at your computer and datamine hands where you're not even sitting down at the table. I think that's terrible.

In regards to Bots -- they're no question they do exist but low limit players don't really need to worry about them for the same reason that the government doesn't really need to worry too much about people counterfeiting $1 bills. Furthermore, bots only do what they're told to do by a human and in a game of incomplete information like poker, they are easily exploitable once you pick up on their tendencies.
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Old 03-11-08, 07:40 PM
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Do these things tell you what to do or do you have to analyze the information and make a decision yourself?
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Old 03-12-08, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jacoby Ellsbury
Do these things tell you what to do or do you have to analyze the information and make a decision yourself?
You have to analyze the information and come to a decision.

For example:

Player A: Stats say he plays 7% of his hands dealt and raises every time he enters the pot.

Player B: Stats say he plays 70% of the hands dealt and raises 30% of the time he enters the pot.

What do you think the preflop ranges for these players are?

You can safely put Player A on JJ+ or AK.

You can safely put Player B on any 2 cards that may or may not have a letter on them.

Using these statistics will guide your decisions throughout the rest of the hand.
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Old 03-12-08, 10:52 AM
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Good example, thanks for the insight
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Old 03-12-08, 02:33 PM
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UB has bots as well. at a .05/.10 table they do nothing besides go all in when they are dealt AJ+ or almost any pair depending on their position. If they are on BB and limp, they will go all in with top pair.

I starting chatting about the bots when I was playing cash games and other players didnt realize they were bots. They would buy in for $10 at .25/.50 and go all in in the right circumstances.

I got sick of players yapping thinking they were talking to real people and would explain they were bots. Then after a while I would just tell people there were bots at the table before they even played with them. I would even explain how they played.

Big mistake.

My bankroll that I took from $50 to ~$300 quickly dropped to around $100. I am convinced that UB monitors the tables and saw what I was doing and tagged my account.

No matter what hand I had I was beat by a better hand. Set over set, quads over boat, etc. I lost in one night 3 times with hands that I was 95% or better on. For a week I was losing to one outers on the river consistently. I lost with quad 7s to quad Ks on the river (both with pair in hand).

I have stopped discussing bots and now discuss my conspiracy theories with my psychiatrist.
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Old 03-12-08, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey
UB has bots as well. at a .05/.10 table they do nothing besides go all in when they are dealt AJ+ or almost any pair depending on their position. If they are on BB and limp, they will go all in with top pair.
Easily exploitable bot and one I would look to play against, not run from!

Seriously, in a game of incomplete information, you're saying it's bad to go against an opponent who is giving you complete information?
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Old 03-12-08, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
Easily exploitable bot and one I would look to play against, not run from!

Seriously, in a game of incomplete information, you're saying it's bad to go against an opponent who is giving you complete information?

not at all. i wasnt saying i stay away from the bots.

what i was saying is that after i started speaking out at the tables against them, i started losing on crazy crazy hands.

i think if you total up my win/loss v. bots i am up a lot.

it is the hands after i outed the bots v. other players where crazy crazy stuff started happening to me.
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Old 03-12-08, 04:50 PM
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Ah ok gotcha.

The most obvious indicator of a bot is timing. Most of them don't randomize their timing and instead take the exact same amount of time to act after action has moved to them.
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While UB/AP have done shady stuff and I owuld never play at either one, I highly doubt they flipped your doomswitch after you talked about possible bots.
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Old 03-12-08, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey
My bankroll that I took from $50 to ~$300 quickly dropped to around $100. I am convinced that UB monitors the tables and saw what I was doing and tagged my account.

I have stopped discussing bots and now discuss my conspiracy theories with my psychiatrist.
Well at least you're aware of it ...
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Old 03-14-08, 01:12 PM
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I hate doomswitches.

Lately these sites have been fucking with me. They'll boomswitch me for a day and then doomswitch me for 2. Repeat cycle until I pull my fucking hair out.
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Old 03-15-08, 12:24 AM
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boomswitch....doomswitch....wtf?!
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Old 03-15-08, 12:59 AM
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boomswitch....doomswitch....wtf?!
Just a figure of speech. If you are running hot, they flipped your boomswitch on. If you are running cold, they flipped your doomswitch on. Just another way to say "variance".
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Old 03-15-08, 12:34 PM
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Don't mind Scorch. He's just making fun of the folks who insist that the poker rooms are intentionally giving them good cards or bad beats.
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