View Poll Results: Parents: Did your babies get their MMR shot at 1-2 years?
Yes; No effect on my baby.




67
47.52%
Yes; My baby exhibits signs of autism as a result.




5
3.55%
No; I've heard about the link and it scares me.




6
4.26%
No; (some other reason)




4
2.84%
I'm not a parent, but I want to vote anyway.




59
41.84%
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MMR shot linked to autism?
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The first three dozen or so times that play on words point about 'innocent/not guilty' was made on this forum it was kind of cute, but now it's just tired and kind of lame. You might realize one day in the future that 'innocent' is a synonym of 'not guilty' in that sense and stop beating that dead horse.
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A double-whammy-- the danger of measles AND the dumbness of religion!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...-100-children/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...-100-children/
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A double-whammy-- the danger of measles AND the dumbness of religion!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...-100-children/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...-100-children/
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The first three dozen or so times that play on words point about 'innocent/not guilty' was made on this forum it was kind of cute, but now it's just tired and kind of lame. You might realize one day in the future that 'innocent' is a synonym of 'not guilty' in that sense and stop beating that dead horse.
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You have the opportunity to vaccinate your son against HPV, you don't. He get's testicular cancer and he dies. Are you at fault? Or your kid gets some disease while your family is on vacation in Africa and dies. Are you at fault?
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1. Not enough evidence/unable to prove the case
2. Innocent
You may be correct that courts don't bother differentiating these two, but that doesn't mean "not guilt" never = innocent. An innocent person found not guilty is in fact innocent.
So for the sake of this article, the court found there was no link. This could be one of two things,
1. They could not find/prove or show the link that is actually there
2. There is no link
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Lets not forget that being found "not guilty" does in fact have at least two possible reasons,
1. Not enough evidence/unable to prove the case
2. Innocent
You may be correct that courts don't bother differentiating these two, but that doesn't mean "not guilt" never = innocent. An innocent person found not guilty is in fact innocent.
So for the sake of this article, the court found there was no link. This could be one of two things,
1. They could not find/prove or show the link that is actually there
2. There is no link
1. Not enough evidence/unable to prove the case
2. Innocent
You may be correct that courts don't bother differentiating these two, but that doesn't mean "not guilt" never = innocent. An innocent person found not guilty is in fact innocent.
So for the sake of this article, the court found there was no link. This could be one of two things,
1. They could not find/prove or show the link that is actually there
2. There is no link
The decisions are 100-300+ pages. I've only skimmed, but they're pretty definitive.
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Well I tried pulling a few Charlie-esque 'wildcard bitches!' in this thread, but to no avail.
Neither 'side' got all worked up about it... much to my chagrin.
Neither 'side' got all worked up about it... much to my chagrin.
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I know this. The point is some have said not guilty does not mean innocent. In fact it could mean innocent. I agree the courts don't look for that, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
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Lets not forget that being found "not guilty" does in fact have at least two possible reasons,
1. Not enough evidence/unable to prove the case
2. Innocent
You may be correct that courts don't bother differentiating these two, but that doesn't mean "not guilt" never = innocent. An innocent person found not guilty is in fact innocent.
1. Not enough evidence/unable to prove the case
2. Innocent
You may be correct that courts don't bother differentiating these two, but that doesn't mean "not guilt" never = innocent. An innocent person found not guilty is in fact innocent.
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From the NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/bu...25vaccine.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/bu...25vaccine.html
Vaccine Approved for Child Infections
By DUFF WILSON
Published: February 24, 2010
The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved Prevnar 13, an expanded version of a vaccine to protect children against more forms of bacterial infections that can cause meningitis, pneumonia and other diseases.
Skip to next paragraph
The new vaccine protects against a virulent subtype called strain 19A, a growing threat.
Health officials say such infections cause a million deaths a year in developing countries and dozens of deaths in the United States, along with ear infections in millions of infants.
Prevnar 13, from the drug giant Pfizer, adds protection against six types of bacteria to a current product, Prevnar 7, increasing its coverage to more than 90 percent of pneumococcal disease rather than the current product’s 80 percent coverage.
Prevnar 7 had worldwide sales approaching $3 billion, making it one of the Pfizer’s best-selling drugs, and Credit Suisse analysts predict Prevnar 13 will exceed $5 billion in sales by 2014. Pfizer is counting on it to become the company’s top revenue generator after its flagship drug, the cholesterol fighter Lipitor, loses patent protection next year. In recent months Prevnar 13 has been approved in 38 other countries.
While Prevnar 13, like Prevnar 7, is approved only for use in children, Pfizer is testing it on adults in two clinical trials that could lead to its use to vaccinate older people against bacterial infections, the company said. Pfizer may ask the F.D.A. to approve adult usage of Prevnar 13 by the end of the year, Geno Germano, president of Pfizer’s specialty care unit, said in an interview.
As with the older vaccine, Prevnar 13 is given by intramuscular injections at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months and between 12 and 15 months of age.
Pfizer said Prevnar 13 would be available within weeks to replace the older product. An immunization advisory committee for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meeting in Atlanta on Wednesday, recommended that all children younger than 5 who received the Prevnar 7 vaccine get a supplemental dose of Prevnar 13 the next time they visited a doctor.
Pfizer told the committee it would charge $108 a dose for the new product, 30 percent higher than the $83 a dose it charged for Prevnar 7.
Vaccine products were the major attraction for Pfizer in its $68 billion purchase last year of Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, which developed the Prevnar vaccines. Pfizer, the world’s largest drug maker, is scrambling to diversify as patents of older products expire.
Testing of Prevnar 13 in adults includes an 85,000-person trial in the Netherlands to protect against pneumonia acquired outside of hospital settings, one of the most common infectious illnesses, particularly among older people, Dr. Emilio Emini, Pfizer’s chief vaccine officer, said in an interview.
Approval for adult use, said Mr. Germano of the specialty care unit, “would open up essentially hundreds of millions of additional patients who could benefit from the vaccine.” Pfizer has estimated it could add $1.5 billion in sales.
The new Prevnar vaccine protects against a virulent subtype of the Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria called strain 19A, a growing threat to health that accounts for about 10 percent of the bacterial diseases. It became resistant to antibiotics about five years ago, Dr. Emini said, and is the major new strain attacked in the new product.
A competing vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline, Synflorix, is approved in Europe and some other markets but not in the United States and does not include the strain 19A. Prevnar is the only such vaccine approved for infants in the United States. Merck and Lederle Laboratories make pneumococcal vaccines approved for some adults and children ages 2 and older but not for the younger group, which has the highest rates of the disease.
The F.D.A. twice extended its review time for Prevnar 13, which Pfizer said was the most complex biological product ever submitted for regulatory review. An F.D.A. panel voted 10 to 1 in November to approve it, with one member expressing concern about safety, especially about adverse reactions like redness at the injection site and occasional fever.
The illnesses caused by the Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria include meningitis, an inflammation of the brain covering; sepsis or bloodstream infection; pneumonia and ear infections. The bacteria have evolved, frustrating efforts to wipe them out.
Pfizer plans to expand the childhood vaccine usage in other markets, including developing countries, through the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation, at a much lower price, Mr. Germano said.
The World Health Organization says at least a million children worldwide die each year of pneumococcal disease, most of them very young children in developing countries, making it the leading cause of vaccine-preventable death.
By DUFF WILSON
Published: February 24, 2010
The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved Prevnar 13, an expanded version of a vaccine to protect children against more forms of bacterial infections that can cause meningitis, pneumonia and other diseases.
Skip to next paragraph
The new vaccine protects against a virulent subtype called strain 19A, a growing threat.
Health officials say such infections cause a million deaths a year in developing countries and dozens of deaths in the United States, along with ear infections in millions of infants.
Prevnar 13, from the drug giant Pfizer, adds protection against six types of bacteria to a current product, Prevnar 7, increasing its coverage to more than 90 percent of pneumococcal disease rather than the current product’s 80 percent coverage.
Prevnar 7 had worldwide sales approaching $3 billion, making it one of the Pfizer’s best-selling drugs, and Credit Suisse analysts predict Prevnar 13 will exceed $5 billion in sales by 2014. Pfizer is counting on it to become the company’s top revenue generator after its flagship drug, the cholesterol fighter Lipitor, loses patent protection next year. In recent months Prevnar 13 has been approved in 38 other countries.
While Prevnar 13, like Prevnar 7, is approved only for use in children, Pfizer is testing it on adults in two clinical trials that could lead to its use to vaccinate older people against bacterial infections, the company said. Pfizer may ask the F.D.A. to approve adult usage of Prevnar 13 by the end of the year, Geno Germano, president of Pfizer’s specialty care unit, said in an interview.
As with the older vaccine, Prevnar 13 is given by intramuscular injections at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months and between 12 and 15 months of age.
Pfizer said Prevnar 13 would be available within weeks to replace the older product. An immunization advisory committee for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meeting in Atlanta on Wednesday, recommended that all children younger than 5 who received the Prevnar 7 vaccine get a supplemental dose of Prevnar 13 the next time they visited a doctor.
Pfizer told the committee it would charge $108 a dose for the new product, 30 percent higher than the $83 a dose it charged for Prevnar 7.
Vaccine products were the major attraction for Pfizer in its $68 billion purchase last year of Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, which developed the Prevnar vaccines. Pfizer, the world’s largest drug maker, is scrambling to diversify as patents of older products expire.
Testing of Prevnar 13 in adults includes an 85,000-person trial in the Netherlands to protect against pneumonia acquired outside of hospital settings, one of the most common infectious illnesses, particularly among older people, Dr. Emilio Emini, Pfizer’s chief vaccine officer, said in an interview.
Approval for adult use, said Mr. Germano of the specialty care unit, “would open up essentially hundreds of millions of additional patients who could benefit from the vaccine.” Pfizer has estimated it could add $1.5 billion in sales.
The new Prevnar vaccine protects against a virulent subtype of the Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria called strain 19A, a growing threat to health that accounts for about 10 percent of the bacterial diseases. It became resistant to antibiotics about five years ago, Dr. Emini said, and is the major new strain attacked in the new product.
A competing vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline, Synflorix, is approved in Europe and some other markets but not in the United States and does not include the strain 19A. Prevnar is the only such vaccine approved for infants in the United States. Merck and Lederle Laboratories make pneumococcal vaccines approved for some adults and children ages 2 and older but not for the younger group, which has the highest rates of the disease.
The F.D.A. twice extended its review time for Prevnar 13, which Pfizer said was the most complex biological product ever submitted for regulatory review. An F.D.A. panel voted 10 to 1 in November to approve it, with one member expressing concern about safety, especially about adverse reactions like redness at the injection site and occasional fever.
The illnesses caused by the Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria include meningitis, an inflammation of the brain covering; sepsis or bloodstream infection; pneumonia and ear infections. The bacteria have evolved, frustrating efforts to wipe them out.
Pfizer plans to expand the childhood vaccine usage in other markets, including developing countries, through the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation, at a much lower price, Mr. Germano said.
The World Health Organization says at least a million children worldwide die each year of pneumococcal disease, most of them very young children in developing countries, making it the leading cause of vaccine-preventable death.
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Re: MMR shot linked to autism?
My daughter is blonde and skinny, is there anything I can vacinate her with so she doesn't end up a bubble headed dumb fuck like Jenny McCarthy?
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Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who pioneered this nonsense, was banned from practicing medicine in his home country of Britain today for multiple ethical violations and performing invasive, unnecessary procedures on children.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/he.../25autism.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/he.../25autism.html