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Should race be considered?

Old 03-24-06, 05:03 PM
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Should race be considered?

When applying for a job, or applying to a university, should the employer or school ask what race you are? Should the employer or university use race as a factor in deciding who is hired or admitted?
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Hell no.

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Unbiased poll there.
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I only hire whites, but to be fair I work for the KKK.
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Hey, what if "white" is the minority there?
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OP was already giving her anti-AA opnion in the poll or she'd have added the correct wording more like "Historically underpriveleged" to minorities.

I'm as anti-AA as anyone, but this discussion is going to be about as interesting as it would be at a Klan meeting.
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I was hired as a token once. I was really pissed when I found out.
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Klan meetings are more interesting than you'd think. Last week we had an agenda item as to whether we should allow our children to drink Chocolate Milk. It got very heated.
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Originally Posted by Bushdog
correct wording more like "Historically underpriveleged" to minorities.
What makes for correct wording? Why is historically underprivileged a better word choice than minorities? Is minorities an inaccurate description?

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I'm as anti-AA as anyone, but this discussion is going to be about as interesting as it would be at a Klan meeting.
Why? Is it anti-PC for a white person to complain about the system and to ask if it is fair?
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Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.
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Originally Posted by Summer_Wind
What makes for correct wording? Why is historically underprivileged a better word choice than minorities? Is minorities an inaccurate description?



Why? Is it anti-PC for a white person to complain about the system and to ask if it is fair?
no, but when the questions and complaints are based on ridiculously slanted misinformation and specious arguments, it's quite sad.
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Originally Posted by Summer_Wind
What makes for correct wording? Why is historically underprivileged a better word choice than minorities? Is minorities an inaccurate description?
Because your wording on the other side was quite biased as well. I was evening the bias on both sides.

Why? Is it anti-PC for a white person to complain about the system and to ask if it is fair?
Lord knows I'm a bastion of political correctness.

No, the uninteresting part is because this is a group of generally right-leaning white people. There's going to be little "debate." More like the few poor pro-AA fools are going to get overpowered by all of the anti-aa sentiment.

I guess you feel pretty oppressed as a white person, no?
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Nope, race shouldn't be considered for a job, university, or when determining sentences for crimes.
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Actually I don't think race should be a factor. In most cases it's not what color you are but who you know.To be completely honest I was offered my job because I was friends with the bosses brother.The previous guy quite, I had the qualifications, and the guy recommended me to his brother....simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Some complain they're being treated differently because of their race, but then demand that they be treated differently because of their race.
Exactly. And when it's something that hurts them it's racist, and when it's something that benefits them it's "only fair".
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Some complain they're being treated differently because of their race, but then demand that they be treated differently because of their race.

People.
Is that really the case for Affirmative Action? Here I thought the argument was that in order to overcome barriers to entry in the workplace, being historically disadvantaged and having put upon them a lower SES and being born into a disenfranchised culture that does not respect education and working within the system there needed to be some accomodations made to ensure these groups are given a chance to succeed.

Now, I can give you a dozen arguments to counterargue this claim, but let's avoid strawmen?
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I think afirmative action is a great opportunity to hire motivated minorities who work for peanuts over snivelling ugly white folk that think they're owed an overinflated compensation to keep up with their lifestyle. As a conservative supporter of corporate wealth and reganomics, I approve of this practice.
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Originally Posted by Holy Jackson
I think afirmative action is a great opportunity to hire motivated minorities who work for peanuts over snivelling ugly white folk that think they're owed an overinflated compensation to keep up with their lifestyle.
I agree. Hiring a black person is a big coon coup for an employer.
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Originally Posted by Holy Jackson
motivated minorities
Now you're just talking nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
A simple solution would be designing advancing-assistance programs that rely exclusively on socioeconomic criteria - not race.
But why is that society's responsibility?
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Originally Posted by Bushdog
But why is that society's responsibility?
It's not, and it's also not society's responsibility to help historically disadvantaged people.
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Um ...... OK Closing
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