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Old 02-17-06, 04:51 PM
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Cheater gets $140,000 taken from him at Party

I've been following this on 2+2 and P5s since it happened. Basically what happened is this:

Well-known MTTer JJProdigy played in the $500k Guaranteed tourney at Party and busted out fairly early. Fast-forward to the final table. Another well-known MTTer starts a thread on P5s saying that JJProdigy is in the final three in the $500k Guaranteed under the name ABlackCar. He goes on to win the tourney and collect $140,000. Commotion ensues on P5s and 2+2 because he playd two accounts in the same tourney. JJProdigy makes up a story that it was his Grandma, and he just took over for her when he was out and she was doing well.

Fast forward to today. The fourth-place finisher gets this email from Party:

Dear xxxxx,

On Sunday February 12th, 2006 you participated in our $500k Guaranteed
$215 Buy-in Tournament.

After the tournament concluded, our investigations team conducted an
investigation into two of the accounts that had participated in the
tournament (ABlackCar and JJProdigy). After an in-depth investigation, the
investigations team; in conjunction with the poker manager, legal and
management, made a determination that, based on the evidence, the two
accounts had played in the $500k Tournament from the same IP address and
both from the same computer.


A decision was made to disqualify both accounts from the tournament and
redistribute the prize money accordingly.
One of the accounts placed
1st in the tournament while the other placed 2,162nd (out of the money).
In addition, both accounts have been suspended and will no longer be
allowed to play at PartyPoker.com.

Each player that placed in the money has been moved up one spot,
including the player that had previously finished 401st (one spot out of the
money).
Although there is no perfect way to rectify this situation, we
feel that this was the best way to redistribute the money.

Previously you had placed 4th in the tournament and won $41,300.
Moving you up to 3rd place, resulted in a new prize payout of $51,800, an
increase of $10,500.The additional money will be credited to your account
within the next week.

We appreciate the diligence with which our players help to keep our
tables safe and friendly.

If you have any further questions, comments or concerns, please contact
us at [email protected] and we will be more than glad to assist
you.

Regards,
Investigations Team
PartyPoker.com
Party, who in the past has been almost completely inept, confiscated the $140,000 from ABlackCar/JJProdigy, bumped everyone in the tourney up a spot, and gave more money to people who moved up a pay scale.

to Party. This probbly won't completely eliminate the problem, but it certainly will help and make cheaters think twice.

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Old 02-17-06, 04:56 PM
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I have entered the same tourney at two different sites on the Prima network. I am not sure if that is allowed or not, but I figured it was fair game because they were different IP addresses.
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Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
I figured it was fair game because they were different IP addresses.
Doubtfull. I'm sure in the fine print, it says one tourney entry per person.
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Originally Posted by Morf
Doubtfull. I'm sure in the fine print, it says one tourney entry per person.
Most likely you are right.... I'll just leave it at that.
Old 02-18-06, 12:12 PM
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Good for Party. Imagine the glee of the guy who finished second. That email must have made him at least $50,000.
Old 02-18-06, 12:17 PM
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The funny thing is that having two entries in a tournament so big doesn't really give you much of an advantage. It gives you a mulligan in case you get bad beat out of the tournament. Unless you happen to end up on the same table and chip dump to one account, that is.
Old 02-24-06, 06:45 PM
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Another cheater banned.

ZeeJustin was banned from Party for playing with up to six accounts in the same tourney. He had almost $100,000 seized from his accounts.
Old 02-24-06, 06:50 PM
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BTW, he said that he has indeed been at the same table with himself during tournaments. Here was his rationalization:

If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage"
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As people pointed out in the 2+2 thread, it's not up to him to cheat and then determine what an appropriate penalty should be to negate his advantage. If he's looking to negate his unethical advantage it seems like the easiest way would have been to not create it in the first place.
Old 02-27-06, 01:36 PM
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Here's the fucker's statement.

Here is the email I got from PartyPoker yesterday morning:

Dear Mr Bonomo,

This communication is to inform you of the findings of an investigation launched internally by partypoker.com into six accounts originating from your own location and computer.

These are the accounts in question:

ZeeJustin
IBLUFFUOUT69
jwilson55
vapoker58
mehsab
greenb272

These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a żteamż, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.

Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.

A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.

Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.

Steve Winter
Manager, Investigations Team
Yes, itís true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.

I have been at the same table as myself. For what itís worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I canít even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and Iím certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.

However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects.
First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.

N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.

All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.

Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.

All of the money that was seized from me was from sitínígo play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sitínígo, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.

The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTTís they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.

For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigyís $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.

I know what youíre thinking right now, ďI wonít get caught, because I didnít do anything wrong.Ē

First of all, that doesnít matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).

Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe youíll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If Iím a cheater, so are you.

If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Partyís rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.

Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.

5. True Identity and One Account.

The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.
I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Partyís rules does it say you cannot use someone elseís account. Iím sure many of you have used friendsí accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTTís for friends that have unforeseen obligations.

I do think what Iíve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Partyís rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.

To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.
Dear Justin,
We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the ďAgreementĒ) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us.
We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement.
Yours sincerely
PartyGaming
Sarah Hunter
Affiliate Relations
PartyGaming Marketing (UK)
Email: [email protected]
London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100
18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP
www.partygaming.com
This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar).
The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at [email protected] as soon as possible
I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. Youíre not safe at all.

In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPokerís actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.
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My favorite part (and there were several good ones) was where he tried to say that Party cutting him from their affiliate program was further evidence of how "corrupt" they are. So they banned him for cheating on their main site but since he didn't violate any specific rules of the affiliate agreement he should be allowed to continue making money off of Party? Sorry buddy, you cheated and hurt their credibility and they chose to sever all ties with you, and now you're trying to spin it to make them out to be the bad guys.
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What a moron. These nitwits bring it on themselves, then they have the nerve to be outraged when they're caught.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
The funny thing is that having two entries in a tournament so big doesn't really give you much of an advantage. It gives you a mulligan in case you get bad beat out of the tournament. Unless you happen to end up on the same table and chip dump to one account, that is.
You are absolutely right, and that is the exact reason that I did it. It was a $1 NL tourney anyway, so it is not like I was trying to cheat the system for big bucks .


What is so funny about this is that people have in excess of $100,000 in their poker accounts, trying to cheat the poker sites, but cannot pay an additional $5/$10 a month for additional IP addresses?

Now I know that this does not make it anymore ethical by any means, and I already assume that there are people that do this now anyway.... You would think that the people doing this would be a bit smarter though.

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It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image.
What better way to go about dumping that loose-aggressive image than creating a separate account with the username IBLUFFUOUT69?



-JP
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Originally Posted by NatrlBornThrllr
What better way to go about dumping that loose-aggressive image than creating a separate account with the username IBLUFFUOUT69?



-JP
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Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
You are absolutely right, and that is the exact reason that I did it. It was a $1 NL tourney anyway, so it is not like I was trying to cheat the system for big bucks .


What is so funny about this is that people have in excess of $100,000 in their poker accounts, trying to cheat the poker sites, but cannot pay an additional $5/$10 a month for additional IP addresses?

Now I know that this does not make it anymore ethical by any means, and I already assume that there are people that do this now anyway.... You would think that the people doing this would be a bit smarter though.
However, online poker will always face integrity and security doubters. Doing things like this only causes more setbacks. Thank god the casual player doesn't read forums like 2+2.

I'll create duplicate accounts for PSO/ECD/bonus related purposes but never in a million years would I ever try to bring more than one account to the same tournament or cash game table (if it were allowed).
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N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.

All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.
He said that, but yesterday, he was banned for doing the same thing at Stars, where it is much harder to open multiple clients. It isn't simply a matter of double-clicking really fast. You do need some sort of hack there.
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why would you keep that much in your account for them to take?
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When you pay $1000-$5000 HU SNGs and $200-$500 MTTs, $20k isn't that much.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
However, online poker will always face integrity and security doubters. Doing things like this only causes more setbacks. Thank god the casual player doesn't read forums like 2+2.

I'll create duplicate accounts for PSO/ECD/bonus related purposes but never in a million years would I ever try to bring more than one account to the same tournament or cash game table (if it were allowed).
I hear ya. I even have a hard time setting up duplicate PSO accounts.

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