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Sense Of Entitlement: How Did This Happen?

Old 01-28-06, 02:38 PM
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Sense Of Entitlement: How Did This Happen?

It has been talked about in some threads awhile back, back I wanted to try and have a civilized discussion about this sense of entitlement that has crept into everyday life. I see it in the schools I work in, I've seen it at jobs I've worked at, and I see it when I'm out and about.

There are so many people who just 'expect' things. A something-for-nothing feeling. Admittedly I thought of this while arguing about some of the social services provided by the gov't, but I think it goes deeper than that. (Initially I was going to leave this out because I didn't want it to turn into a political bashing thread, but since it was the source of my initial idea, I thought I should at least admit that)

I think people have grown to expect too much, while doing too little.

Do you think there has been an increase of these feelings, and do you have any ideas why this has happened?

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Old 01-28-06, 02:52 PM
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For cryin' out loud, if you're not going to bold your post, I'm not going to read it. I'M ENTITLED TO BOLDED POSTS!
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Old 01-28-06, 02:55 PM
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I bet this thread will be entitled to a move to Politics Talk before long.
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Originally Posted by pedagogue
I think people have grown to expect too much, while doing too little. Do you think there has been an increase of these feelings...

I agree 100%



...and do you have any ideas why this has happened?

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Serious answer, I have no idea but it bothers the hell out of me talking with and dealing with people that feel this way.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I bet this thread will be entitled to a move to Politics Talk before long.
I was hoping to keep it out of there because I don't want it to degrade to the typical political responses. I'd like to keep it at a level of intellectual debate.

I'm still deciding if it is a generational thing, a socio-economic issue, or a combination of a number of issues. If you look back at the baby boomers, a sense of entitlement seemed non-existant. To contrast that, look at the current generation of kids and teenagers. It seems that many 'expect' too much. There are a couple generations in between, and that seems like a crapshoot (which supports a blended effect of multiple factors)

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I think a lot of it has to do with the fetishizing of childhood. It became de rigueur to protect your children from any and all possible dangers or disappointments, so that they could have the "perfect" childhood. Combine that with a generation of parents that mostly had the financial means to do so, and you get the sense of entitlement.
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Old 01-28-06, 03:18 PM
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I don't like this growing sense of entitlement. The WWII generation definately is different.

I see middle schoolers these days yakking away mindlessly on cellphones. It is a product of our consumerism. People are borrowing more and more to "afford" things like DVD players, DirecTV/cable TV, new cars every 3 years, etc.

I just cancelled by cable because it's $500/yr for crap I don't watch anyway. All I really need is local OTA HD.

Everybody wants materials without working for it. It seems fewer and fewer people are saving for retirement. I suppose they feel they deserve to waste their money.
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Besides anecdotal observations, does anyone have any proof this is happening?
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Just a few factors that I think contribute to this devaluation of responsible individualism:

1) Successful litigation
2) Misguided view of necessity
3) The increasing ease of survival and lack of individual sacrifice necessary to achieve
4) Mass Media helping to define a broader "popular culture" (reinforcing such values of entitlement that may have originated with the wealthy)
5) Mistaking charity for taxation.
6) Parenting in fear and lack of valuable parental teaching. Some could blame this on an increase of working mothers, I would more likely attribute it to a redefinition of the value of good parenting and an increase of competition to please a child in increasing situations of divorce.
7) Increasing average standard of living.

I don't think anyone is to blame... and the cure will come naturally after a few more wars or a marked downturn of the economy. In short: as a society we have it too good. Some people (based on the way they were raised) will respond to that differently. It's not that everyone has a greater sense of entitlement, it's that it's being passed on to many more through various means. When the tide turns towards responsible individualism, it will spread in the same manner. As always, people will learn from their parents' mistakes.

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My wife and I have noticed this and have been talking about it for quite a while now.
Along with entitlement, there is also a prevasive feeling that no one can ever be offended or held accountable.
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Old 01-28-06, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Besides anecdotal observations, does anyone have any proof this is happening?
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. What makes you entitled to proof?

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Seriously though, if we were esteemed sociologists, (and I challenged anyone who doubts The Otter is anything but), how does one quantify and measure a sense of entitlement?
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My parents, when we were growing up, NEVER, and I mean NEVER gave us money. They sacrificed a lot to send us to Catholic schools, but it's not like we as kids cared. They didn't have extra money to give us.

If I wanted a coke from the corner convenience store, I had to vaccuum the living room for $.50, etc. I got my first job at 13 (working in a bingo hall) because I wanted name brand clothes my parents wouldn't buy. I babysat before that.

We were told no A LOT. Something kids today don't hear enough of. We also knew consequences. Sometimes people lost. Sometimes people failed. Not so today. Too much political correctness.

I think too many parents have such low self esteem that THEY can't handle the tears. They can't handle the thought of permanently damaging their kids because they didn't give into their whim. Too many parents think if their kid is crying it is their fault, and must therefore "fix" it.

I hate going to the grocery store and seeing a mom tell a kid no. The kid proceeds to cry. Mom says no. The kid ups the volume, and eventually mom gives in to shut him up. Way to go smartie pants. You just "trained" your kid to do it again.

Too many parents take the EASY way out instead of sticking it out for a life lesson for their child.


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There have been 3 "kids" that my employer has hired over the last year. All of them have quit for what they think will be better jobs, at 19 They all have thought they deserve $50K simply because they are GOING to college, not even finished.
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Adding to Thor's list:

8) Overuse of bolding.
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A combination of fetishization of childhood and a high standard of living.

Many children are given anything they want. They don't have to learn patience, compromise, or sharing. I keep hearing coworkers describing things like how they give each child a Playstation 2 for Christmas.

When they get older, their parents defend them against other authority figures, such as coaches, umpires, and teachers. I also know coworkers who had to get out of youth sports because of the parents.

Also: lotteries and casinos. If getting rich is a matter of chance, why would anyone want to work for it?
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I agree with a lot of what others have posted. I also happen to feel that the WWII generation is not really any better than the younger generation when it comes to this topic.
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Originally Posted by mosquitobite
There have been 3 "kids" that my employer has hired over the last year. All of them have quit for what they think will be better jobs, at 19 They all have thought they deserve $50K simply because they are GOING to college, not even finished.
I guess one could argue that this type of behavior is one of being agressive in persuing one's career. If they feel that they are worth more and switch jobs for another job that they think will help them reach that goal, is that bad?
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I thought this thread was going to be better.
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger
A combination of fetishization of childhood and a high standard of living.

Many children are given anything they want. They don't have to learn patience, compromise, or sharing. I keep hearing coworkers describing things like how they give each child a Playstation 2 for Christmas.

When they get older, their parents defend them against other authority figures, such as coaches, umpires, and teachers. I also know coworkers who had to get out of youth sports because of the parents.

Also: lotteries and casinos. If getting rich is a matter of chance, why would anyone want to work for it?

what's wrong with giving playstation 2 for christmas? My parents gave me a coleco vision and a computer in the early 1980's when they just came to the US and didn't have any money. This experience gave me an interest in computers and now I make more money than my wife who has a master's degree.

I have read that there was a study that links playing video games to better skills as a surgeon.
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Blame Canada!

Otherwise, I'll blame 2 presidents of the 20th century. I won't say who to avoid being political but here's a hint: they're both commonly referred to by their 3 initials.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
what's wrong with giving playstation 2 for christmas? My parents gave me a coleco vision and a computer in the early 1980's when they just came to the US and didn't have any money. This experience gave me an interest in computers and now I make more money than my wife who has a master's degree.

I have read that there was a study that links playing video games to better skills as a surgeon.

Yeah, I don't think giving a video game system for x-mas is a big deal.

What irks me is parents who give their 16 year old a car of their own. Even worse - a new car.
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Maybe "You can do anything that you set your mind to" needs to be replaced with "You can do anything that you get off your butt and do yourself."
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
what's wrong with giving playstation 2 for christmas? My parents gave me a coleco vision and a computer in the early 1980's when they just came to the US and didn't have any money.

I have read that there was a study that links playing video games to better skills as a surgeon.
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I keep hearing coworkers describing things like how they give each child a Playstation 2 for Christmas.
I don't think he meant it was bad to give a PS. He meant it was bad to give EACH child one.

Again, lazy parenting. Someone who doesn't want to break up the fights caused by kids having to *gasp* share.
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I missed the 'each' part. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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