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Old 01-05-06, 07:01 PM
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Good showdown % won?

Due to a crappy first day at bodog, my showdown win % is only 35%. Usually it's twice that.

What's a good number to have?
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Looking at my poker tracker stats where I'm anywhere from a 2BB/100 - 5BB/100 winner depending on the site (10000 hands roughly), my showdown win percentage hovers around 60%, with a VP$IP of anywhere from 18% to 25%.
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Depends on the game you're playing, the number of opponents, the game setup (FL, PL, NL). One thing all have in common is ... higher is better.
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Playing on line, for a full table (9-10 players), I try to keep that % to 70% or higher. Anything below 60%, and I'm playing way too loose.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
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If someone has a near 100% showdown winning percentage, either the sample size is too small or they've folded a ton of winning hands.
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You want your % higher in NL and PL games than you do in FL. In FL, you should be losing showdowns a lot more often.

In a game like PL08, you want your showdown% to be very high.
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Originally Posted by namja
Playing on line, for a full table (9-10 players), I try to keep that % to 70% or higher. Anything below 60%, and I'm playing way too loose.

This all depends on how loose the table is. If avg pots are 8-9 BB in a limit game, you'll lose a lot of 2nd (and even 3rd-best) hands at showdown because of the size of the pots because it's -EV to lay down some of those hands long-term.

I'd rather win 60% of the showdowns for $20 pots than 70-80% of showdowns for $10 pots.
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I prefer to keep my winning percentage a shade under 60% at a full limit ring game. Like Scorcho mentioned, I find there's enough people calling down at .50/1 that the pots are big enough to see more showdowns.
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For a full table limit game I would say 53-55% is pretty good. If you get much higher than that then you're throwing away too many winners...especially if the hand was heads-up early.
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I tend to agree with those that say 50-60% is where you want to be when playing limit games. Anything much higher than that and you are playing to tight or predictable after the flop. Especially in the smaller limit games were there are routinely 6-8 players seeing the flop.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
This all depends on how loose the table is. If avg pots are 8-9 BB in a limit game, you'll lose a lot of 2nd (and even 3rd-best) hands at showdown because of the size of the pots because it's -EV to lay down some of those hands long-term.
Going by EV ignores the read you get on your opponent. After a dozen or so hands, you may be able to get a good read on several of your opponents. Even on line, you can pick up a lot of tells by how they bet. And when you can read your opponents, then you can ignore the EV altogether. Why even bother calling $8 on a $150 pot when you know you're beat?

If I sit at a table and can't get a good read on at least 3-4 of the players in the first 20 minutes, then I get up and go to another table.
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Originally Posted by namja
And when you can read your opponents, then you can ignore the EV altogether. Why even bother calling $8 on a $150 pot when you know you're beat?
Because reads aren't 100% reliable?

I called $4 into a $80 pot today at 2/4 with a shitload of raising all the way to the turn. I had KK unimproved and was mostly sure I was beat. Turns out I won the pot as TPTK went to battle with a top pair smaller kicker. Sometimes you gotta ignore the +EV play and other times you gotta ignore your "reads". One of these giant pots can turn your whole session around.
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
Sometimes you gotta ignore the +EV play and other times you gotta ignore your "reads".
This is all I'm saying.

You can't go by EV alone. You have to take into consideration your reads. It's a matter of playing your cards versus playing other players. The more you play poker and the better you get, the less you rely on your cards to win pots.


FYI, I'm not saying that I'm that guy. I still rely a great deal on my cards to win me hands.

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