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Old 11-18-05, 02:28 PM
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what would you do if one of your home game players OPENLY admits to cheating ?

At my recent home game, (well i dont host it, but its at a friends ) one of the regular players, that everyone likes mind you, openly admitted to cheating online . He claimed that he and a friend (another regular at the home game) have been routinely using collusion to make some extra profit.

Now, i realize they arent exactly robbing people blind, but - it was the premise of him admitting outloud, that hes a cheater. If he admits that much outloud, then god only knows what hes not admitting to ? If they are in collusion online, how do i know they arent doing it at the live game?

Would you be concerend if you heard this? Would you bring it up to the game host? I mean, I do realize that when i go to a game i am mingling with morally sub-standard people, who are gambling degenerates, but theres a big difference between that and a theif, and I feel like drawing a line here.

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I've colluded online with a friend in small dollar sit&gos on a few occasions. People we play poker with know this and couldn't care less.

Colluding on-line is a whole different ballgame that colluding in person particularly if it is a group of friends in the game.
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thats fine and all, but what happens when you have suspicions of that person doing it in your live game?


I dont give a shit what people do in their own time, but when im there and its my money on the line, then i care.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog


I've colluded online with a friend in small dollar sit&gos on a few occasions. People we play poker with know this and couldn't care less.

Colluding on-line is a whole different ballgame that colluding in person particularly if it is a group of friends in the game.
agreed. I have "colluded" with my brother when we are both playing the same multiplayer tourneys, 500 players or more. We do it to chit chat and ask each other advice about the hand that is being played.

How is that type of colluding any different than having a few people sitting at the same computer, watching the same hand and deciding as a group the best way to proceed? You are still using more than one player to make your decision.

I echo the sentiments above, online collusion is one thing. Colluding at live game is completely off limits.
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Originally Posted by skiblet
thats fine and all, but what happens when you have suspicions of that person doing it in your live game?


I dont give a shit what people do in their own time, but when im there and its my money on the line, then i care.


3 years ago, we caught a friend cheating in our game once after suspecting it was going on. Called him on it. He wouldn't admit he was cheating so we kicked him out. Time healed the wounds and he plays with us again although I still keep an eye out on him.

So my advice is if you suspect it, talk about it with others to see if they suspect it and what to do about it.


Also, if it is simply collusion you are talking about, keep in mind that colluding online with a friend is far far easier than colluding in person with a friend.

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How did he cheat Red Dog?
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How did he cheat Red Dog?

In hold'em, holding a card (Ace) out of the deck (and using it when he needed it). For other junk games, like say, Day Baseball, a 3 (wild card).
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I can't believe how cavalier some people are about online cheating.... I wouldn't care if someone on the other computer had 50 people watching and giving advice but if you are sitting at a table communicating with another player at the same table and sharing what your hold cards are or using some kind of betting strategy, that is cheating plain and simple and if you do it in a money game you are a flat out thief in my book.
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online cheating? happens all the time, which is why I avoid online games.

the other night two guys were kicked out of a local Casino for colluding. They were being totally open about it too! they were muscling around other players at the table and they called over a floor man. He told them to stop talking to each other and he was going to move them to separate tables, or they could leave altogether. One huge argument later, they're gone and banned.
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online cheating? happens all the time, which is why I avoid online games.
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I was over at a friends house where they had 4 computers playing online and they were robbing people blind by teaming up. They were using VPN's to other people's houses to get around the IP thing most online sites use. After I saw that I decided I would never play online.
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A couple of guys at my home game said they tried it, but rarely found that it did much good. Wouldn't bother me.
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Many years ago we caught a person cheating at our home game. We're so relaxed when playing with friends, and she took advantage. We confronted her and she denied it (though we'd seen her cheat). It really fucked up the friendship for quite some time, even though the stakes were low.

It's a line you don't cross, and there is no excuse for it. Cheating in an online game -- while I wouldn't condone it -- is not across that line.
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Originally Posted by skiblet
I mean, I do realize that when i go to a game i am mingling with morally sub-standard people, who are gambling degenerates, but theres a big difference between that and a theif, and I feel like drawing a line here.

Any comments ?
Sarcasm? or do you really feel there's something morally questionable with playing poker?
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
A couple of guys at my home game said they tried it, but rarely found that it did much good. Wouldn't bother me.

That's my experience too, and when I did it there was no agreement to share or anything. Generally, if one of us folded ahead of the other, we would say what we had. That was basically the extent of it.
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We have a pretty strong suspicion that one of our regulars at our weekly game is cheating. We called him on a very obvious 'mistake' the last time he played with us. We're not positive, and it's possible it was just a bone headed move.

Strangely enough, he hasn't accepted any other invites since then.

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