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Management,supervisors: why dumbasses?

Old 08-22-05, 03:47 PM
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Management,supervisors: why dumbasses?

I have been in the workforce since 1980.
I've worked 4 years in a downtown buisnness area.
15 years in a big famous company.
And now 3 years in a printing company.
What do all these places have in common?
They have managers & supervisors who don't know what they are doing.
And whenever a position opens the company never hires a from within to run the deptment. You would think they would hire someone who already knows how to run the dept. would be the smart thing. But no, they hire some outsider who even after he's trained has to go ask people who he's supervising questions.
Not only does this slow down production , but it pisses off and makes employees want to quit. Why do companies have this practice?
It's like in the movie OFFICE SPACE where the ones who work hard and are a value to the company get laid off and the lazy slacker gets promted to a mangement position.
It's like that old saying "It's not what you know it's who you know".
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Old 08-22-05, 03:54 PM
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The minions always think this....yet they remain minions.

Food for thought.
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Old 08-22-05, 03:55 PM
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I am sorry that you didn't get that promotion.
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Old 08-22-05, 03:57 PM
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Being a manager has nothing (ok very little) to do with what tasks a worker is completing. Being a manager is managing. It is seeing the big picture and not getting bogged down in details.

I (and it sounds like you) work in a somewhat technical field. At each management level above me their particular knowledge of the subject goes down. And the longer they are "away from actually do it" the farther down their knowledge goes. However, some are great managers, leaders, motivators and most are goal/results oriented rather then a task completer.

Please this is not meant as an insult. Look at it this way: A football team has players and coaches. Coaches could not go in there and do what the players do. Some of them have played very little football. But they can still be excellent leaders.

And of course, just because you know everything about something does not mean you would make a good leader.
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Old 08-22-05, 04:04 PM
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Several years ago, a book was written called "The Peter Principle." The central premise is that workers are promoted to their "level of incompetance."

What does this mean? Let's pretend we all work at a widget factory. If I'm really good at making widgets, I might get promoted to "Lead Widget Maker." If I'm really good at that, I might get promoted to manager. And so on, up the ladder.

As previously stated, just because one is good at widget making, doesn't mean their good at management. Sooner or later, I'm going to be promoted to a job that I'm not good at. And since I'm not good at that level, I won't get promoted up to the next level (assuming that I'm not so bad that I get fired or demoted). Repeat this around the company, and you have an entire staff of people who are mediocre at their jobs and miserable.

More recently, Scott Adams came up with "The Dilbert Principle". His theory (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) is that the most incompentant workers are put in positions where they can cause the least amount of harm: management.
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Old 08-22-05, 04:31 PM
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So because some new employee needs to ask a few questions, they are dumbasses and akin to slackers? That's a little harsh.
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
I wonder what the new manager's spelling and grammar is like.
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Heh, we've been dealing with the Peter Principle at my job. Things went along great since I hired in, with just a few waves from one particular person at our corporate office which is out of state. Now it seems to be full-blown warfare. My boss's camp seems to be losing me which is quite distressing as she is very competent and qualified. I am quite concerned. Currently staying late to wait her out. She's in someone's office with the door shut. It's been like this almost all day I am very worried for her. I do not want to see her become a casualty of our "Peter."

Oh, she's out!

--update--
Not much new, but she didn't resign! This is good!

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Originally Posted by E70f
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Old 08-22-05, 05:10 PM
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The reason outsiders are brought in to manage instead of promoting from within is to prevent favoritism. It is very difficult to manage, correct, fire, etc, people that were once your peers and perhaps friends.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
The minions always think this....yet they remain minions.

Food for thought.
That was my exact thought. Thanks for taking my reply....kvrdave! :angry:
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Old 08-22-05, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
*I have been in the workforce since 1980.
*I've worked 4 years in a downtown buisnness area.
*15 years in a big famous company.
*And now 3 years in a printing company.
This sounds like a brilliantly worded resume. Especially the big famous company part.
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Old 08-22-05, 06:58 PM
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It's because the peoples, they got reports you know. They make 'em the reports. And they're like, "Hey, what is wrong with you?"

"You sound like you don't know what's going on? Are you serious?"

But why, it's not my fault. I didn't make reports for the game it office. OK? It's like 8pm? What should I do? Be enslaved? I mean c'mon my friend.

Let's make Excel reports for what for free? And be the the one person to do it? And not be like much? What is the where is the money? I mean man this is screwed up this B.S. Don't make me say it I will tell it all.

For the sakes of the job, just careeer it, you know? Even Monsters can help you now, be more developed. get more career, have more time for family? Family thinks you're resources not for job? Do it anyways.

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The Bus is right.
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Old 08-22-05, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
*I have been in the workforce since 1980.
*I've worked 4 years in a downtown buisnness area.
*15 years in a big famous company.
*And now 3 years in a printing company.
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This sounds like a brilliantly worded resume. Especially the big famous company part.
It could be brilliant. If for example the real experiences are:

*I've worked 4 years in a downtown buisnness area.
Translation. I worked a corner at Fifth and Main. It was my corner.

*15 years in a big famous company.
Translation. Got a real job at McDonalds.

*And now 3 years in a printing company.
Translation. Lost the McDonald's gig and I now I deliver newspapers.

Seriously, if in the workforce since 1980, that is 25 years. I see only 22 years above. 3 years in the slammer? Hmmm....
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Old 08-22-05, 07:39 PM
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He spent three years training to be a manager, but then they hired a new guy from outside the company.
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Old 08-22-05, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyC
It could be brilliant. If for example the real experiences are:

*I've worked 4 years in a downtown buisnness area.
Translation. I worked a corner at Fifth and Main. It was my corner.

*15 years in a big famous company.
Translation. Got a real job at McDonalds.

*And now 3 years in a printing company.
Translation. Lost the McDonald's gig and I now I deliver newspapers.

Seriously, if in the workforce since 1980, that is 25 years. I see only 22 years above. 3 years in the slammer? Hmmm....
In movies like America Beauty by Sam Menendez we know -- it's not alwayrs real work! Sometimes it's a blackmail, and that's just how corporate america works.! It's a big bag of weasels and foxes and wolves and leeches. Everybody like animals, money fighting, power fighting? For what? Gold watch at 50 years? No pensions for the poor, they die without healthcare.

I'm just saying don't be so hard on a brother if he's gotta do what you gotta do to take care of the families - times aren't so different now, just as hard as always.
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Man, the Bus is on a roll!
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Man, the Bus is on a roll!
Yeah, what's gotten into him today?
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I was an exceptional worker but a a shitty manager. Different skill set required.
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Hey, I would rather have the dumbasses in management, than working on the line with me! Less risk to my personal safety.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Danger

Hey, I would rather have the dumbasses in management, than working on the line with me! Less risk to my personal safety.
so Nick works in another department?

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This hasn't really been my experience. I think my direct supervisor is the most knowledable person in our dept and knows the business very well (outside our dept).

The V.P. of our dept was ok, but he would tended to come up with dumb projects that seemed like a waste of time -- I guess he was bored.

At my last job, I loved my direct supervisor and most of the supervisors in other depts were experienced and knowledable.

Even at the job I hated -- and I hated my supervisor too -- my supervisor was smart and knowledgable -- just a bitch.
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