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Am I a permanent resident of the U.S. (visas, greencards, citizenship, oh my)?

Old 08-21-05, 12:52 PM
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Am I a permanent resident of the U.S. (visas, greencards, citizenship, oh my)?

... I know, silly question. I'm trying to fill out a form and it wants me to check if I am a permanent resident of the U.S. I am a 4th generation U.S. citizen who has always had permanent residence in the U.S.

My confusion is due to my involvement in hiring. My company's lawyers typically instruct me in what to ask (it's a paragraph in length about H1A visas and F1 visas and other visas), then I check yes or no depending on what the person says, and HR takes it from there if I recommend the person for hiring. Sometimes they come back and say "well, does this person have some qualification above and beyond the rest?", but other than that, I'm out of the residency loop.

Since I've never gone through the visa process, I'm confused by all of it. When you say you're a permanent resident, does that mean you have a green card (in which case I am not a permanent resident?) or does it mean that you currently live full-time in the U.S. (in which case I am a permanent resident)?

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You should be a lawyer. Your mind works like one. As far as I know "permanent resident" means you have a green card. What you are is a citizen. If there's no check mark for "citizen," don't check anything.
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You should be a lawyer. Your mind works like one. As far as I know "permanent resident" means you have a green card. What you are is a citizen. If there's no check mark for "citizen," don't check anything.
Thanks. There were actually two check boxes:

[ ] I am a permanent resident of the United States
[ ] I am not a citizen of the United States

I just left both blank.
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This is some misguided fear of discrimination towards permanent residents vs citizens. We had to ask, "Are you authorized to work permanently in the US." The person could answer however he wished ('I'm a fucking citizen, goddammit') but we could only record yes or no. Only HR could check the actual visa or whatever.

You need a box for
[ ] I am a permanent resident of the United States unless they catch and deport me.
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Just serve your time in the Mobile Infantry, son.

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Originally Posted by matta
Thanks. There were actually two check boxes:

[ ] I am a permanent resident of the United States
[ ] I am not a citizen of the United States

I just left both blank.
you need to check the first box.
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[ ] I am a permanent resident of the United States
[ ] I am not a citizen of the United States
[x] I am legal alien ... na-noo na-noo

Add a 3rd line
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Old 08-21-05, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cool Kitten
you need to check the first box.

NO, no, no. Matta is not a permanent resident.

The key missing word is "alien" dropped because it wasn't PC or something.
Years ago it was PRA.

http://www.oiss.yale.edu/visa/pr.htm
What is permanent resident status?
There are a few terms used to described the permanent resident status. The most common term is "green card," which has not really been green-colored for many years. Other terms include a permanent visa, lawful permanent residence, resident alien and immigration to the US. The permanent resident status is a type of visa status granted to a foreign national who has the privilege of living and working permanently in the United States.
. . .
(Anyone born in the US is a citizen of the US; permanent residents can become citizens through naturalization, after a required period of residence in the US.)
In a Venn diagram, permanent residents are inside the circle of "non-citizens."

Check nothing. You are neither of those categories.

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Originally Posted by matta
Then you surely haven't seen Starship Troopers.

[ ] Citizen
[ ] Civilian

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Originally Posted by Goldberg74
Then you surely haven't seen Starship Troopers.

[ ] Citizen
[ ] Civilian

Actually, I did see it.... 7 years ago. I don't remember anything from that movie, other than someone riding on the back of a giant cockroach.
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You say you're a 4th generation US citizen. What did you mean by that?

It sounds like you are a citizen of another country and are in the US on some visa. Then you are not a permanent resident, you're here on a visa.
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Actually, I did see it.... 7 years ago. I don't remember anything from that movie, other than someone riding on the back of a giant cockroach.
don't act like you forgot the co-ed shower scene....everyone remembers the co ed shower scene
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Originally Posted by Heat
You say you're a 4th generation US citizen. What did you mean by that?

It sounds like you are a citizen of another country and are in the US on some visa. Then you are not a permanent resident, you're here on a visa.
Sounds to me like he's a 4th generation citizen - his parents were born in this country, as were his grandparents and great-grandparents.

I think the confusion is that a US citizen isn't technically considered a "permanent resident" - that applies to people with green cards.
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Originally Posted by criptik28
Sounds to me like he's a 4th generation citizen - his parents were born in this country, as were his grandparents and great-grandparents.

I think the confusion is that a US citizen isn't technically considered a "permanent resident" - that applies to people with green cards.
Yeah, you're right. Assuming he's a US citizen, neither box should be checked.
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Old 08-22-05, 04:32 AM
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Exactly. Usually there are three options for citizenship questions:

(1) US citizen
(2) Permanent resident
(3) Temporary status
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How is he not a permanent resident if he was born in America?
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Because "permanent resident" is a legal term, not a logical one. You don't think like a lawyer.
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How is he not a permanent resident if he was born in America?
The older, non-PC term was permanent resident alien. That was crystal clear, but wasn't "nice" so they dropped alien.
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Old 08-22-05, 07:44 AM
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As said many times, "permanent resident" means they are a Permanent Resident Alien, and have a "Green Card" (which are actually pink). They can basically live and work here as long as they would like, but cannot vote or become Schwarzenegger*.

* Does not apply if you are Schwarzenegger.
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you better hope you are
because i just called immigration!
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If you where born here, you are a "Native American".
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Who knows how permanent you are anyway? You may decide to move to another country someday. "Permanent" is so restrictive. "You're not going anywhere mister!"
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Originally Posted by matta
Actually, I did see it.... 7 years ago. I don't remember anything from that movie, other than someone riding on the back of a giant cockroach.
this is actually explained better in the book -- you become a citizen (having voting rights) after service in the military.
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