Def. I have tried to buy one of these multiple times, but nobody, anywhere will give it to me even 1 buck under msrp. I'm not paying msrp for any car, ever!

Because you are supporting terrorism.

I never looked at an H3 in person but you are right. According to some quick research, the H3 has a mere 55.7 cu ft of cargo space whereas my 99 Mountaineer has 81 cubic feet. I don't want to to downsize. :) The Jeep Liberty does indeed have more cargo space (and I thought the Cherokee was small!)

I guess the H3 is off the list. It does look cool though.

Question. Does the Xterra come with leather and other creature comforts? I was turned off my the X-games type demographic they were going after with waterproof seats and what not. The Xterra has 66 cu ft of cargo space. Not great.

It's part of my overall taste--and this is one of those things that is very important to me; I feel very strongly about the kind of ecological footprint we leave. I just cannot fathom someone settling for releasing 3 time the greenhouse gases and extremely low fuel efficiency. Just doesn't appeal to me. My husband's vehicles have never gotten less than 30 MPG highway. I wouldn't have it any other way.

All in all, it's just a personal preference.

Damn those numbers are bad for full size SUV's. My wife has a Honda CRV, which according to a website has 72 cu ft for cargo. Which is plenty to take my wife and two kids on vacation to the beach with all the gear that goes along for beach vacation.

A neighbor has a Mountaineer that I believe is a 92, bought it the exact same day as my wife's SUV. The neighbor has hated the Mountaineer the whole time after seeing my wife's car. Doesn't like that it is bigger, but doesn't really have much more room, doesn't like that it is not as good on gas, doesn't like that it was much more expensive ( her words, I have no idea how much a mountaineer is ).

To me the bigger/full size SUV's don't offer that much more value for the extra price. A full size SUV's will run you almost 10K more, and you really don't get that much more space. I think the CRV's and Ford Escapes are pretty good values, but that is just me.

H3, no way.

Add a dog to the mix. When we go on vacation and take the dog, we need to save half the back area for the dog. The last time, we were totally strapped for space. I also like it big enough to strap a canoe or Xmas tree on top and high enough to clear heavy snow. I once moved two twin beds with boxsprings, the frames and the head boards with all doors closed. I can load pretty much everything - length is important to me.

My Mountaineer was around $30K at the time but it has leather, power everything, sunroof, 7 speakers, etc. I like it a lot. Thats why I have a feeling I will end up with a stocked Ford Explorer when its all said and done. Or I can continue to hope Acura revs the MDX and adds some size to it.

So basically your saying "it's not size of the boat its the motion of the ocean."
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Truth be told if they could come up with a clean burning truck that can pull as much as the my chevy does i would buy it. Without it though I would not be as well off.

There's still no option for leather in the Xterra. It's pretty bare bones in terms of interior amenities. You may want to take a look at the new Pathfinder.

My impression was that many liberals are not overly pleased with our Persian Gulf policy of late. I could be wrong, though.

It will be OK for him to get an SUV and still be a liberal, as long as he doesn't put a support the troops ribbon on it.

That's interesting, must be a common problem, I saw this exact same thing happen on another H2.

ha

my toyota matrix has around 50 cubic feet with the back seats down

yes....and....how does that relate to the car I drive? BTW, we get most of our oil from Canada.

Well, did you watch six feet under last Sunday night. Daughter ( liberal ) freeked out on a person driving a SUV.

When I do listen to Air America I have heard callers complain about SUV's and stuff.

I have heard liberals I know call it a war for oil and that if everybody wasn't driving around in SUV's. Etc. Etc.

Go to democraticunderground.com. Lots of posts there about evil republicans and their SUV's. Many there wouldn't consider you a liberal for wanting a SUV.

It certainly isn't ALL liberals that are anti-SUV, but there certainly is a decent % of liberals that are anti-SUV.

pay a visit to NYC or anywhere in the NY, NJ, Conn or PA sometime

SUV's as far as the eye can see

what you hear is mostly naive college kids complaining and a few leftover hippies

I don't think it is the liberals in those states that are the ones driving the SUV's. It is the people in the richer/wealthy suburbs.

NJ is a blue state because of the large cities like Newark, Camden, jersey city, etc. I don't think too many people in those cities are driving SUV's.

When I worked in Newark I saw plenty of these:

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you have no idea what you are talking about

the SUV craze here started in 1996 when there was a huge snowfall. now people just like to driver them here for status. NYC is 90% democrat too. Plenty of democrats work on wall street.

I'd think there are quite a few conservatives that are anti-SUV. Its like being anti-smoking - there is no party that owns the sentiment.

I agree with that. I am a republican and am anti-suv, but really only to the extent that I won't buy one myself. I see no problem with being a liberal and having a SUV.

It seems to me that the liberal anti-suv people are a little more vocal about their opposition to them.

Sure they drive them for status, and that is one of the reasons why I don't like SUV's. And being able to afford and buy that status vehicle is going to be somebody with a higher income, which is going to be more likely a republican.

NYC is not where the vast majority of the SUV's are. I don't think that is the kind of vehicle you want to drive around NYC in. Parking would be a nightmare.

The SUV's are a suburan area type car, and the burbs are more republican than democrat. I would still have to think that even in the blue states of NJ, NY, CT, PA that the majority of SUV owners are going to be republican.

The guys that live in Newark that have the pimped out SUV's like the earlier poster, well they probably don't even vote. They probably aren't republican or democrat. I think in the 2004 election that the % of young voters in the big cities of NJ was way down.

Looking around I'd say that a good 30% of vehicles are SUV's. It seems that sometimes every other person drives a lexus RX300 around here. No one cares about parking since they just hit the car behind them and in front of them to squeeze into a space. Or they let the attendant at the parking lot park the car. A lot of GM SUV's around here with the Envoy and it's variants being very popular.

I don't get the SUV as a "status" thing. A Ford Explorer is not status. If I want status, I'd buy a BMW, Benz, Lexus, Acura, etc.

It's not status, it's a fashion trend. The automakers were successful into tricking you to believe they are the hip things to buy. The fact that since they are rebadged trucks, they are super cheap to make and have huge profit margins for them. Consumers bought it.

Like the minivan?