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Job Application - Mandatory Salary Requirement

Old 05-22-05, 10:50 AM
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Job Application - Mandatory Salary Requirement

I was perusing the classifieds this morning -- I'm not totally disillusioned with my current job, but old habits die hard, and besides, I like to keep my options only -- anyway, there was one job that seemed interesting. Seemed to match my qualifications pretty well.

But at the bottom of the job notice was the following sentence:

... send resume with salary requirements (salary requirements must be included for resumes to be included)
Now, I am of the opinion that, as a job applicant, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by listing your salary requirements -- either it's too little, and they think you're not qualified, or they can get you on the cheap -- or it's too much, and you get eliminated before you even begin.

So how would you deal with this kind of a request?
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Old 05-22-05, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NCMojo
Now, I am of the opinion that, as a job applicant, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by listing your salary requirements -- either it's too little, and they think you're not qualified, or they can get you on the cheap -- or it's too much, and you get eliminated before you even begin.

So how would you deal with this kind of a request?
I agree with you. But in this case, you do have something to gain by including that information: your resume can be reviewed. I'd give them a number slightly higher than what I would accept for the job.
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Old 05-22-05, 01:13 PM
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You could also put a range. Unless I misunderstood you, it doesn't mean what the exactly you require. So if $40,000 is the average, you could put like $35,000 to $45,000.
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Old 05-22-05, 01:35 PM
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I agree with Sdallnct I would def put a range in there, thats what I have done in the past, and make sure you start a little higher than what you want, that way of they want to negotiate with you, you will at least get close to what you want.
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct
You could also put a range. Unless I misunderstood you, it doesn't mean what the exactly you require. So if $40,000 is the average, you could put like $35,000 to $45,000.
Definitely - always put a range and never one amount. If it means anything to you, I have recevied multiple call backs for jobs that asked for my salary requirement. I'm not saying I took those jobs but they did do a follow up with me.
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Old 05-22-05, 01:41 PM
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Even better, put 30's to 40's. This leaves a $20k range.
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I'd put a range and a line stating it was negotiable
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Even better, put 30's to 40's. This leaves a $20k range.
Hell, I can top that: $30k to $130k. That's a $100k range.
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Old 05-22-05, 02:08 PM
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In addition to "negotiable", I usually add something like "depending on the responsibilities...", etc.
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Old 05-22-05, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct
You could also put a range. Unless I misunderstood you, it doesn't mean what the exactly you require. So if $40,000 is the average, you could put like $35,000 to $45,000.
But you're still giving them the negotiating advantage -- they know your bottom number. If you said $35 to $45... why would they even dream of giving you $45?


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Even better, put 30's to 40's. This leaves a $20k range.
Hmmm... this is a wise idea. Still, it definitely gives them an advantage. A better question might be: how can you not give them a salary requirement at all and get away with it?
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Everyone should know their rough worth based on their industry. Additionally, a person interviewing should know the minimum amount it would take to switch jobs. For instance, it may be your current salary + $10,000 for the trouble of losing seniority and incurring the expense of switching.

Set your range at your minimum to 1.1x your minimum. So, if you make $90,000, set a range of $100,000 to $110,000. This is mutually beneficial to both of you, as it eliminates the need to interview if there's a substantial discrepancy between your need and their offer.

If, on the other hand, you're interviewing for a position that requires a specific skill set or knowledge that is not readily available in the general public, then there is an issue because the salary can range widely. In general, in those circumstances they don't ask for a salary requirement.

Companies want X qualifications and are will to pay Y dollars from a pool of Z applicants. The difference is that in the first case, they want a specific X and Y, and so they let Z float to solve the equation. Whether they bring in 20 or 200 people, they don't care. In the second situation, they want X and have a limited Z, so they have to adjust Y to satisfy the equation.
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It doesn't bother me if everyone has to do it. In a situation like yours, you put in an amount that makes it worth quitting your current job, plus an increase for travel, etc. that would be factored in.
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Why not put 60's to 70's?
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Old 05-22-05, 11:34 PM
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Make sure it is at least 4% higher than what you are making now.
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Make sure it is at least 4% higher than what you are making now.
No, try 20%. For $30,000 that's only $6,000 more.
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Originally Posted by NCMojo
But you're still giving them the negotiating advantage -- they know your bottom number. If you said $35 to $45... why would they even dream of giving you $45?



Hmmm... this is a wise idea. Still, it definitely gives them an advantage. A better question might be: how can you not give them a salary requirement at all and get away with it?
With most small companies pay is negotiated. So if they come back with $35,00 then you can try to talk your way up. See once they make you an offer it is now a more balanced negotiation as they have admitted that they want you. Until you can get them to admit they want you, you are already at a disadvantage. Obviously you would start the range at the very minimum you would be willing to take anyway.

Most large companies have a set range. All who are hired for a given position, given department get XXX amount of $$$. There is usually a very small range for experience, education, etc. So again, if you say $35,000 to $45,000 and their range starts at $40,000 they are not going to pay your $35,000. Now if they tell you the range for your job is $40,000 to $43,000, and they are offering you $40,000 then you can asked what the difference is and maybe you can provide additional information to get that last few $$$.

Lastly you want to find out about future increases. To me, the initial $$$ is important, but if you get no raise for 10 years, wasn't that big of a deal was it???
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I'm not totally disillusioned with my current job
There's a vote of confidence for a job you've had for all of 6 months!
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There's a vote of confidence for a job you've had for all of 6 months!
Moreso than you know, my young apprentice.
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Its hard to pinpoint a number when you don't have the particulars of their benefits at your fingers. For instance, I currently pay $7 a week for health insurance. A place I just interviewed with charge around $350/month for similar coverage. Thats a big chunk of change taken over a year. Also, retirement plans etc play into what I would expect in salary.
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Moreso than you know, my young apprentice.
sorry to hear it.

But I think I'm older than you.
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No, try 20%. For $30,000 that's only $6,000 more.
I know...I was kidding.
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I had this as a required field on the job I am in now. After you got a ways in their hiring process it was on an online form they had you fill out. I put "Negotiable". As mentioned before with benefits, retirment, stock plans etc, salary is a tough one to figure in alone. Now mine was a required field and I was already along, so not the same as them saying you won't be considered, but it is an option if you don't want to box yourself in, and think they would still consider it..
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