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Old 05-17-05, 05:28 PM
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Going to Vegas Next Week. Need Craps Help.

Hi all. I don't go to vegas often and when I do, I typically play roullette when i'm there just because i've had some good luck and its kinda brainless. But next weekend I'm heading out with a group of friends that all go a lot and play craps. I'd like to be able to at least keep up, but I've found it a little confusing. Can anyone point me to a nice guide or an concise explanation? Thanks!

It should actually be a fun trip. One of the guys works for a certain TV show and got us a table and bottles at 54, even though the place had to bounce another group for us. These guys go often, and I usually feel out of place, so I'd like to know as much ahead of time as possilbe. Thanks again!

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Old 05-17-05, 05:35 PM
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http://wizardofodds.com/craps

First, watch the game for 15-30 minutes to get an idea of how things work.

I recommend one of 2 strategies:
1) Pass line + full odds and taking 1 unit (so $6 on a $5 min table) on both the 6 and 8 OR
2) Pass line + full odds and come line + full odds (multiple times if you wish)

2 final notes:
1) Don't bet the hard ways - sucker bet.
2) Don't do what one of my friends did the first time he played - pick up all 5 dice when the dealer passes them to you. It ain't Yahtzee!
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Old 05-18-05, 01:26 AM
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I'm going to go against Red Dog's suggestion since you're a first timer.

Only take *full* odds if it's a double odds table. If you're running on a 5x, 10x, etc. odds table, this could end up being very very costly -- not something you want as a rookie.

If you're playing on a $5 table with 10x odds, this means you'd bet $5 on the pass line and $50 behind it after a non-2/3/7/11/12 is rolled, hoping to hit that number again before a 7. Thus, if a 7 comes up, you lose $55 right off the bat Sure, the best odds in the house are full odds, but in the short term, you're not going to notice the difference between 2% vs 1% vs 0% house edge.

They're enticing but stay away from:

Big 6/8 (the same bet exists on the table by buying the 6 and 8, only with better payouts believe it or not)
Hardways - high house edge
The Field - also high house edge
Horn bets - one roll bets at hitting a 2/3/11/12

Stick with pass line w/ odds and come line w/odds to start out, as Red Dog mentioned. I still insist that you lower your odds bets though, so you don't put yourself at risk of losing too much too fast to start out so you can learn the game.
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Old 05-18-05, 01:30 AM
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Oh yeah, other tips:

* When rolling the dice, you're allowed to roll as soon as you get them in your hand. I like to wait until people get all their damn hands out of the way though.

* Yo = 11. Saying "five dollar yo" and throwing a $5 chip at the dealer will put a 1-time $5 bet on the next roll being 11. You hear this a lot.

* Your roll of the dice should hit the back wall, but not terribly hard. You'll get dirty looks and comments from the dealers if your dice don't hit the back wall.

* "Piggyback" - a person will often piggy back a $1 bet on top of their own bet where the dealers will get to keep the profits from that $1 bet, as well as the bet itself.

* Be aware of the dice. If they're in the air or just about to be thrown, get your damn hands out of the interior of the table. This includes letting them hang over the rail.
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Old 05-18-05, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by El Scorcho
Only take *full* odds if it's a double odds table. If you're running on a 5x, 10x, etc. odds table, this could end up being very very costly -- not something you want as a rookie.

I agree. I didn't say that because, frankly, I've rarely seen such generous odds. I was assuming that he would be playing at a major casino where those odds are not offered. When I say "full odds" take that mean "as high as you feel comfortable with."
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Old 05-18-05, 09:12 AM
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* don't fling the dice off the table, that gets really annoying too

* don't hit other stacks of chips when rolling, considered bad luck. I usually 7-out when I do that

* one craps dealer told me a good strategy for beginners. Bet on the 6 and if a 6 hits, pocket the money. The next time it hits, press the 6 (double the bet with your winnings). Then, repeat the process. Do the same on the 8.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I agree. I didn't say that because, frankly, I've rarely seen such generous odds. I was assuming that he would be playing at a major casino where those odds are not offered. When I say "full odds" take that mean "as high as you feel comfortable with."

The Plaza downtown used to have 100x odds. Now I think they've dropped it down to 20x or even 10x, iirc.
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Thanks for the tips guys. I read the webpage that Red Dog linked, and understood a little of it.

One question I have is why would I want to do both the pass line and the come line? Isn't that placing one bet that you'll hit the point and one line to bet that you'll hit seven? And you would win one bet and lose the other?

I'm worried about hitting the chips with the dice! Maybe i'll just "pass" my roll turn. Thanks again guys!!!
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Old 05-18-05, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Access Granted
One question I have is why would I want to do both the pass line and the come line? Isn't that placing one bet that you'll hit the point and one line to bet that you'll hit seven? And you would win one bet and lose the other?

That would be only on the first roll for your come bet. For example:

Roll 1 (called the come out roll) - you make a pass line bet - 5 is rolled and is the point.
Roll 2 - you put odds behind your pass line bet (hoping for a 5) AND you bet the come line - a 9 is rolled. Therefore, you are still hoping for the 5 to be rolled (before a 7) to win your pass line bet and now you will win your come bet if a 9 is rolled before a 7.
Roll 3 - you put odds behind your come line bet (9).

Note (as you alluded to) that the first roll on a come bet does offer you a little protection vs your pass line/odds bet if a 7 is rolled.
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Old 05-18-05, 12:31 PM
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Doing multiple come w/ odds bets while a point is going is basically compressing a series of pass line w/ odds bets onto one shooter.

That is, if you have a pass line w/ odds on a point of 4, a come line w/ odds on a point of 8, and another come line w/ odds on a point of 10, that's basically like 3 separate pass line w/ odds bets on the 4, 8, and 10. All it does is increase the speed at which you win or lose. I usually play one pass line w/ one come bet.

Other tips:

* If the point is a 9 and you're taking odds behind your pass or come bet, make sure the odds bet is an even number ($10, $20, $14, whatever). This is because it pays 3-to-2, so if you put $15 down, they'd give you $27.50 back. They hate .50 pieces so make it an even number.

* Similarly, on points 6 and 8, put down a multiple of 5 for your odds bet ($5, $10, $15, etc.) because that point pays 6-to-5.

* And when buying the 6 and 8, give them multiples of 6, since that pays 7-to-6. If you throw them a $5 chip, they'll ask for a $1 chip too because of this.

* Don't ever lift the dice out of the playing area or touch them with two hands.

* Place your chips directly in front of you on the pass line. The key to keeping track of your bets lies on the position of your bets in regards to the players around you. This is also why the dealers place your 4/5/6/8/9/10 bets at different positions too.
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You have to throw the dice . Don't be nervous about it, I find it the best part (well besides getting any huge run $$$). I have thrown them off the table a couple of times...it happens. Just don't do it frequently . As far as chips, try not to hit them on the throw - but it will happen from time to time , what happens after hitting the back is all game.

As far as betting, all have stated the best ways to get your feet wet. Believe me, you will pick up the basic strategy pretty quick. Also try and get near the dealer - if possible. When I first started the girl was more than helpful with me about proper bets etc. and basic strategies.

Have fun and good luck.

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Old 05-22-05, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
2) Don't do what one of my friends did the first time he played - pick up all 5 dice when the dealer passes them to you. It ain't Yahtzee!
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Old 05-31-05, 02:25 AM
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2) Don't do what one of my friends did the first time he played - pick up all 5 dice when the dealer passes them to you. It ain't Yahtzee!
some drunkard did that tonight at a table....then he through the dice to the short side of the table....it was pretty hilarious and he got all pissed off that they wouldn't let him do that....and then he was promptly booted after losing all his chips
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Here's the important thing about odds:
If you take odds on a 6 or an 8, it will pay $6 for every $5 of odds.
If you take odds on a 5 or a 9, it will pay $3 for every $2 of odds.
If you take odds on a 4 or a 10, it will pay $2 for every $1 of odds.

But most tables only pay in whole dollars. What this means is that if you put $5 odds on a 5 and you win, you will only get $7, not the $7.50 you actually should get. Similarly, if you put $6 odds on a 6 and it hits, you will only be paid $7 instead of the $7.20 you should get.

Therefore, a good rule of thumb is to always bet $10 odds behind a $5 bet. Because $10 is a multiple of both $2 and $5, you'll always get the right payout.
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Old 05-31-05, 01:08 PM
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Hey guys-

Thanks one and all for your help. I played quite a bit this weekend, AND (just as importantly) I WON!!! I lost a hundred or so playing roullette, but I was up that much and another couple hundred playing craps. I never would have understood it all without your guys help and hints.

I even let my buddies in on everything you said about the odds, pay outs and typical bets. They play a lot, but I found out that they bet randomly (aside from the pass line) . After telling them what I knew, they all won too.

The funniest thing, though, was on my second or third roll (ever) I was still a little nervous about rolling and making sure not to hit people's chips and getting them to hit the back wall, etc, so I threw the dice a little (well, a lot) too hard and they bounced up and hit this older (80's) gentleman in the forehead. I felt really badly, and he walked away, but the dealers gave me the dice back and i won on the next roll, but the guy was gone, so alls he got was dice to the head and no $. Everyone had a good laugh at that, but i felt badly none the less.
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Congrats on your first win as a rookie. Now they have you setup to lose on your next 10 sessions.
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