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Old 05-17-05, 03:17 PM
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Pool Owners (in-ground) - Help Me Out

So we are thinking about putting in an in-ground pool. We originally spoke with someone a year and a half ago and they quoted up around 15k for a 16 x 32 rectangular or grecian shape. Same guy is now around $25k. He says that steel went up in price.

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I live in NJ so the season is basically end of May until beginning of September.

I can get a 21 x 32 custom for the same price as a 16 x 32 this weekend only.

I swim like a fishy but i do work so obviously it will be evenings and weekends.

My wife isnt really a pool person.

I have no kids.

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If I choose not to get a heater I will save about 4k, so it will be 21k + the patio and fence.

Or with the heater for 25k + patio and fence.

Is the pool worth the money and aggrevation?
Is the heater worth it? (4k)

Do Solar Heating Systems work? - Leslie's sells one for around $450
My pool will be directly behind my garage and gets full sun. The solar panels would be very close.

Anyone use the salt/saline generator? Is it better then chlorine? Did anyone install one after they installed their pool? Can I do it on my own? The pool company charges 2k for one, and Leslie's has it for $1100.

Anyone with a liner have large dogs that like the water? I will not get the liner over the steps so the dog can go in and out, but should I be worried about the liner with a dog?


I refuse ot get a diving board because residential boards are pointless.

I am sure I have more questions, but this is a start.
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A good friend of mine uses the saline system and swears by it. It has a higher initial cost but maintenance is virtually non-existent and supplies are cheap bags of salt. The maintenance is hosing off the plates once every six months. I can tell you that it is much more enjoyable swimming in the saline pool than in a chlorine pool. You can open your eyes under water and you come out feeling silky smooth and clean.

He doesn't have a heated pool but he does have a heated hot-tub. He uses that more frequently than the actual pool. Good luck.
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Old 05-17-05, 03:51 PM
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for NJ, I'd think that some type of heating system would drastically lengthen your pool using season.
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Old 05-17-05, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea
for NJ, I'd think that some type of heating system would drastically lengthen your pool using season.
i would agree to a point. if its cold out, you probably wont have the desire to go in the pool anyway.

but if it does lengthen it by a month on each end, will a solar system be enough to heat it?
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If you have any trees near the pool area, then I would highly recommend a Polaris pool sweep. I've been a pool owner for 2.5 months now, and the Polaris is absolutely incredible at keeping the pool clean. It came with the home when I bought it, but if it hadn't, I can say the $600-$700 price is worth it.
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If you have any trees near the pool area, then I would highly recommend a Polaris pool sweep. I've been a pool owner for 2.5 months now, and the Polaris is absolutely incredible at keeping the pool clean. It came with the home when I bought it, but if it hadn't, I can say the $600-$700 price is worth it.
yeah. my pool installer has it priced at $1200 - LOL - Leslie's has it for $600

Hayward has a new one out too for $600 with a bigger capacity that also cleans the sides and skims the top.
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My pool growing up (35,000 gal) used a solar heating system. It worked quite well, but was really only necessary in the spring. After that, the sun exposure did the trick enough. Covers are the cheapest way to heat a pool.
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Gunite is not an option unless you are chipping in.
G-G-G-G-G-G-G-Gunite!
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey
i would agree to a point. if its cold out, you probably wont have the desire to go in the pool anyway.

but if it does lengthen it by a month on each end, will a solar system be enough to heat it?
my aunt and uncle have an above ground pool with solar heating. the water circulates under black plastic panels around the edge of the pool. it works fairly well and I'd assume it'd work even better on an in ground since there would be less heat loss out the sides
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Is the pool worth the money and aggrevation?

Depends on your market. In mine, they get filled in most times by new owners. But if they help stuff go up in value in yours, I'd do it. I love pools.
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey
Questions/Ramblings:

If I choose not to get a heater I will save about 4k, so it will be 21k + the patio and fence.

Or with the heater for 25k + patio and fence.

Is the pool worth the money and aggrevation?
Is the heater worth it? (4k)

Do Solar Heating Systems work? - Leslie's sells one for around $450
My pool will be directly behind my garage and gets full sun. The solar panels would be very close.

Anyone use the salt/saline generator? Is it better then chlorine? Did anyone install one after they installed their pool? Can I do it on my own? The pool company charges 2k for one, and Leslie's has it for $1100.

Anyone with a liner have large dogs that like the water? I will not get the liner over the steps so the dog can go in and out, but should I be worried about the liner with a dog?


I refuse ot get a diving board because residential boards are pointless.

I am sure I have more questions, but this is a start.
1) Pools are expensive to build, expensive to maintain, and increase the cost of your insurance but...if you want one badly enough, you'll get one.

2) A gas heater will work best but it'll cost you an arm and a leg to heat the pool. A solar heater will have mixed results unless you're extremely lucky (and then only a few degrees as long as you add a cover to trap the heat in). One of my adopted brothers is a manager at Leslie's and they openly admit that the solar heaters they sell are marginal under perfect circumstances. If you really like to swim a lot, get the gas heater and a good cover to extend the swimming season though.

3) The Salt vs. Chlorine argument usually ends up like a Star Wars vs. Star Trek argument. Both have advantages and both have disadvantages. The salt systems have been given a price edge of late since chlorine prices went up but they are not as effective at killing algae and other pests as chlorine systems are although that may change as the technology improves. In a properly maintained pool though, chlorine systems should not hurt your eyes (you shouldn't even smell the chlorine since what you're smelling is the breakdown of the chlorine in the first place). I'd suggest you shop around at different stores, online, and ask family members/friends to find the real scoop on each though (I'm a porn reviewer, not a pool reviewer).

4) Pets: They all act differently but few dogs seem to do more than drink from the pool in my experience.

5) Diving boards will probably force your insurance company to double your homeowner's insurance if not cancel it altogether. The same holds true for slides IIRC. When I was shopping for homeowner's insurance, it was the one question they all asked (and they wanted pictures to make sure I didn't have either add on too).

6) Gunite is the best for all kinds of reasons but it does add to the cost (a lot). If you plan on staying in the house for a long time, spend the extra money now rather than ending up with a pool that will require more frequent upkeep.

7) If you have any more questions, feel free to email me directly. It's a big decision so be sure you have a lot of confidence in the company building your pool (the ones that pressure you like this one seems to be doing tend to be less capable and/or trustworthy, especially ones that claim the cost went up 10k because of the increases in steel prices). Don
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As far as the solar heater goes, you might want to look into a solar cover. Not only does it warm the water, but it also keeps the warmth in on those nights when it gets somewhat cool. My parents have a rather large pool and gas was just too expensive. The solar cover was really their only option. Once the water gets up to temperature, it does very well.

They also opted to skip the diving board, as mentioned above, their insurance rates would have gone through the roof.

Just my .02 cents.
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I work in the construction industry and can confirm that steel prices have increased 200%. Alot of material has gone through the roof due to the explosion in CHina's industrial growth.

Get a solar cover, cheaper and is only needed for may, part of june and september.
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I work in the construction industry and can confirm that steel prices have increased 200%. Alot of material has gone through the roof due to the explosion in CHina's industrial growth.
The fact that steel prices have gone up is not at issue. The issue I had is that since steel makes up very little of the cost of building an inground pool, anyone that ties the price of steel to a 66% increase in the cost of building the pool is probably screwing you. (I have yet to see a pool where the cost of steel outweighed the labor costs as it would in the above scenario.)
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As a matter of fact, I'm dropping a few kids off at the pool myself.
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As a matter of fact, I'm dropping a few kids off at the pool myself.
If you mean using the #2, then that is nasty and should not be talkied about in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Houstondon

4) Pets: They all act differently but few dogs seem to do more than drink from the pool in my experience.
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Norman is a Weimeraner. When he was 12 weeks old we took him to my aunts house and the first thing he did was jump in the pool. Those web feet love the water.
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I live in a rented house with a pool and the season is approximately the same. I would opt for the heater as it can make the pool very cozy.
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If you mean using the #2, then that is nasty and should not be talkied about in this thread.
See, DVD Polizei? You've gone and upset someone with all your poo-poo talk!
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