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Why not privatize public schools?

Old 04-25-05, 02:39 PM
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Why not privatize public schools?

Privatize them all. Reduce local, state, and federal taxes by the amount alotted for education. Get rid of the Department of Education. Get rid of school districts, and have the schools themselves negotiate agreements with each other for bulk purchasing. Is there a downside?

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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Privatize them all. Reduce state and federal taxes by the amount alotted for education. Is there a downside?
Would there still be free universal schooling? If not, then I think that's the downside.
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Would there still be free universal schooling? If not, then I think that's the downside.
School isn't free right now.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Privatize them all. Reduce local, state, and federal taxes by the amount alotted for education. Get rid of school districts, and have the schools themselves negotiate agreements for bulk purchasing.
This post gives me teh hawt. Seriously.
Is there a downside?
Sure - teacher's unions would lose power, and the Democrats would lose a major source of support.
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Privatization? That's crazy talk!!!!




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poor kids = can't afford to pay
rich kids = no problem
poor district school = force to close or raise the price = more poor kids won't bother with school = more and more drop outs
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
School isn't free right now.
It isn't? If you're talking about taxes, I don't think privatizing schools and charging people to go to school is a good idea -- especially when we don't know if taxes would even go down. Not to mention the fact that the very poor don't pay income tax -- as well as the fact that some poor families might opt to save the money instead of sending their kids to school.

Free schooling (i.e. paid by tax dollars) is the only way to ensure that most of the population is educated.

And, by the way... an educated work force brings in more tax dollars.
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Originally Posted by DodgingCars

Free schooling (i.e. paid by tax dollars) is the only way to ensure that most of the population is educated.

If that's the case, what kind of schooling do we presently have in the US?
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
This post gives me teh hawt. Seriously. Sure - teacher's unions would lose power, and the Democrats would lose a major source of support.
I'm a liberal (not a Democrat though) and I -love- the idea of school vouchers. I have a kid in private school and I think he's getting a better education than he would at a public school, yet his tuition is less than half what public schools get per student. Plus, his school day is an hour longer.

I couldn't afford to send my kid if I didn't have caring parents who are willing to pay his tuition. Vouchers would even the playing field so people of all economic classes would have choices about where to send their kids to school.

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Originally Posted by DodgingCars
we don't know if taxes would even go down.
In this magical Neverland where this would even be considered by those in government, taxes would be reduced to compensate.

Would all schools cater to the wealthy? That would leave a large market wide open -- the low-income families. Like businesses, some schools would compete on quality, while others would compete on price.
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others would compete on price.
I'm sure those schools would give great education...
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
In this magical Neverland where this would even be considered by those in government, taxes would be reduced to compensate.

Would all schools cater to the wealthy? That would leave a large market wide open -- the low-income families. Like businesses, some schools would compete on quality, while others would compete on price.
And what do you do about the families who can't afford to send their kids to school? Or what about the families who simply choose to not spend the money to send their kids to school.
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I'm sure those schools would give great education...
As opposed to..?
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Originally Posted by DodgingCars
And what do you do about the families who can't afford to send their kids to school? Or what about the families who simply choose to not spend the money to send their kids to school.
You could say the same thing about so many different things. What about parents who choose to feed their children crap food, encourage them to watch hours of mindless television every day, discourage them from any critical thinking (or any kind of thinking at all), allow them to stay up past midnight, play in or near busy streets, etc? At what point does the government become "nanny"? It's a little sooner for me than it is for you, that's all.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
As opposed to..?
As opposed to the rich schools in your scenario.

I don't think price should be the main concern of education.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Privatize them all. Reduce local, state, and federal taxes by the amount alotted for education. Get rid of the Department of Education. Get rid of school districts, and have the schools themselves negotiate agreements with each other for bulk purchasing. Is there a downside?

How did they even let you move to this state without reviewing the state constitution?

ARTICLE IX
EDUCATION

SECTION 1 PREAMBLE.
It is the paramount duty of the state to make ample provision for the education of all children residing within its borders, without distinction or preference on account of race, color, caste, or sex.
Perhaps you just don't like the constitution




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$ != a good education
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I honestly do think it is the state's duty to educate.

Education is something that everyone receives the benefits from.
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Originally Posted by DodgingCars
And what do you do about the families who can't afford to send their kids to school? Or what about the families who simply choose to not spend the money to send their kids to school.
There are thousands upon thousands of charities for low-income kids to go to college. I'm guessing many new ones would be created for standard education.

Homeschooling is always an option, as well.

Trade schools would likely open up, and these would be even cheaper than general education facilities. These schools would create mechanics, craftsmen, carpenters, and so on.

No system will be perfect. The current system certainly isn't.
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Originally Posted by Brain Stew
I don't think price should be the main concern of education.
yep
that would be great for society
then, colleges, employers, etc...could look at your grade school and high school background to decide how educated you really are..
wouldnt that be nice, if you couldnt get into the college that you wanted.. because despite being a straight A student.. Your parents weren't wealthy enough to send you to a rich school...

force the balance even further apart
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Originally Posted by Brain Stew
As opposed to the rich schools in your scenario.

I don't think price should be the main concern of education.
Trying to make them all equal brings them all down. It's the fundamental difference between socialism and capitalism.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Trying to make them all equal brings them all down. It's the fundamental difference between socialism and capitalism.
and putting a price tag on education will just widen the gap in society.. making it almost impossible for anyone to ever work their way up.

sure, its great for those that can afford it.. or people that are pissed that some of their tax money goes towards educating the masses.. but it is bad news for the majority.
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The government should make tuition costs at private schools (K-12) tax deductible. Limit it to $4000 per year per child so that the rich don't get a huge tax break for sending Johnathan to A.G. Goldbottom's Boarding Schoole for Gentle-men.
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IMO, the problem with public education in America is that there's no value placed on it. The cost is hidden through taxes and levies, so we have low expectations from it, when we have them at all. Parents expect much more from private schools, simply because they are actually paying for them freely.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Trying to make them all equal brings them all down. It's the fundamental difference between socialism and capitalism.
Education isn't a commodity (at least not k-12 education).

Listen, a lot of k-12 education has to do with basic things. By forcing many people out of k-12 education by placing economic barriers you only further widen the gap: Students who can afford education get great education, those who can't, foreit and stay ignorant.

Education benefits society. period. Your taxes aren't just paying for your child, they pay to ensure that all children can be educated. But hey, whatever, poor people don't deserve to go to high school.
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