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Why Are There No Writings From Jesus?

Old 02-28-05, 12:33 PM
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Why Are There No Writings From Jesus?

They always say, if it's that important, get it in writing.

So how can Christian theologians explain this?

Jesus, one of the most important figures of modern-day Christianity, left us with nothing written from his own hand. Everything we know about the man, comes from secondary sources and written several hundred years later.

I can't understand this. Jesus, a man who astounded the priests with his knowledge, performed miracles (including raising from the dead), and the only one with a direct connection to the Man upstairs and the future, didn't feel the need to set the record straight? And it's not like He came during the stone ages. He came during the time of Rome, the time of the written word and civilization. In fact, we hear about him from of all people, a Roman historian. We have all kinds of writings from that time period. So why not from Jesus?

It's something which troubles me because the only other religous figures that you see throughout history who don't have anything written are usually the mythological ones (like Osiriis, etc.).
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Microsoft Word wasn't invented yet? Duh.
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Because he never existed in the first place.

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I think he was too busy healing the lepers and raising the dead. Ya know, stuff like that! He probably didn't have a lot of spare time!
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Microsoft Word wasn't invented yet? Duh.
actualy it was, but it was just too buggy
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Because it would have proved his existance and we all know that when it comes to religion oddly there seems to be an absence of anything that proves it. Even if there was writing from Jesus how would we prove it was his hand writing?
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How much of the population was literate at the time?

Everything we know about the man, comes from secondary sources and written several hundred years later.
That is widely disputed and there are lots of sources saying some of the NT books were written much earlier than that.
In fact, we hear about him from of all people, a Roman historian.
Who are you referring to?
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Originally Posted by Green Jello
Because he never existed in the first place.

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i'm going with this one
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Originally Posted by Venusian
Who are you referring to?
I think he's referring to Tacitus.
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Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
I think he's referring to Tacitus.
Yeah, probably. For the most part, the reference to Christos in Tacitus's Annals is generally considered to be something he heard from a Christian and probably not independant confirmation of the existance of Jesus. It could be faked up as well (like the Josephus text most likely is), but other than the very slightly odd choice of phrasing there's no real reason to suppose it has been altered.
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The nails kept getting in the way?
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Originally Posted by Venusian
How much of the population was literate at the time?
Are you suggesting that Jesus was illiterate?
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If you're asking why there are no writings, there are writings from (allegedly) Jesus.
If you're asking why Christians don't embrace these writings, that's a different question.
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Originally Posted by Venusian
How much of the population was literate at the time?

Call me crazy, but doesn't it stand to reason that the son of God would be literate? It's just like Eddie Harris argues in Major League: "Are you sayin' that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?"
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I predict this thread will make it to the third page before the lock.
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Originally Posted by Otto
It could be faked up as well (like the Josephus text most likely is)
according to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimonium_Flavianum):

The consensus in 2004 is that the passage is mainly genuine, but has suffered corruption, whether deliberate or accidental. Some apologists maintain that only some of the section are interpolations. However a significant number of scholars consider it genuine, on the grounds that all of the passages supposed to be corrupt are upheld by other writers; a significant number of scholars likewise consider the passage interpolated, on the ground that all the passages upheld are likewise demolished by other writers.



yea, yea, i know wiki isn't reliable
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Originally Posted by Otto
Are you suggesting that Jesus was illiterate?
Originally Posted by Red Dog
Call me crazy, but doesn't it stand to reason that the son of God would be literate? It's just like Eddie Harris argues in Major League: "Are you sayin' that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?"

I was suggesting that most of Jesus' audience was illiterate.
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Yeah, but because of the oral tradition we DO have writings w/in many years after Jesus' lifetime. Just kind of put aside the problem with hearsay though. I mean, you know that the 10 seconds it takes to mess up a sentence in the telephone game CAN'T be played with the Messiah.
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Originally Posted by shifrbv
So how can Christian theologians explain this?
Same way they attempt to explain everything. Babble incoherently and then excuse themselves.
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Not that I'm a Christian, but even I don't take my own notes during meetings at work. As far as I know, I'm not even divine.
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He lived it, he knew his followers would write about it later... unlikely his own writings would sway non-believers moreso than what we already have.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
Same way they attempt to explain everything. Babble incoherently and then excuse themselves.
i've never seen this happen
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Originally Posted by Artman
He lived it, he knew his followers would write about it later... unlikely his own writings would sway non-believers moreso than what we already have.
Yeah, thats it.

I'd lean more toward the "Grand Ruse" explanation myself. What is with the "non-believer" stuff. Make me believe. Do something and everyone will believe. Its such a crock.
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Originally Posted by shifrbv
They always say, if it's that important, get it in writing.

So how can Christian theologians explain this?
I'm guessing they didn't always say that 2,000 years ago.

Another quality shifrbv religion thread.
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Isn't there a conspiracy theory that there's a gospel of Jesus that's been suppressed by the Catholic church because some of the things he says about Christianity are very different from how it's actually practiced? The movie Stigmata is like a fictionalized story based about that theory, right?

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