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Old 02-24-05, 07:25 AM
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Man forcibly commited by state for an eating disorder

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005082504,00.html
By JACQUI THORNTON
SOBBING 31-stone Chris Leppard was dragged off to a mental hospital against his will by meddling social workers and police.

Chris, 23, has been forcibly detained for a month because he cannot stop eating.

The authorities used powers normally used to detain mentally ill people who might harm themselves or others.

They locked him up despite the fact neither he nor his family wanted him to go. Last night Chris’s furious mother Anne said he has no mental problems and was winning his fight against the rare illness that compels him to eat.

Chris’s case was condemned by opponents of a nanny state. They asked whether others with life-threatening addictions could be next.

Mum Anne, 49, told of the agonising moment the ambulance came to take Chris — without warning.

She said: “Four people turned up and after some questions, said they were taking him away. Chris was really upset, crying, saying he didn’t want to go and that he wasn’t mental.

“We didn’t know they were coming to take him. He is being punished for being ill. He has a physical problem. He was working well towards losing weight.

“He asked social services to give him six months to prove he could lose weight. They didn't give him six days. I had stopped giving him money for food. For the first time in years we were getting somewhere. We had locked food cupboards, that was a big step.”

Chris, of Hastings, East Sussex, suffers from an incurable condition called Prader-Willi Syndrome. It means he can’t tell when his stomach is full and could eat so much that it will kill him.

East Sussex social services intervened after Chris appeared in a BBC1 documentary last month.

Anne said she asked for the six months grace to prove he could lose weight. He was already on a diet and exercising.

But the authorities shipped him off to a specialist eating disorder unit at the Eastbourne Clinic where he will be assessed for up to 28 days.

Shadow Health Minister Tim Loughton was outraged. He said: “It’s a taste of things to come if the Government’s draft Mental Health Act becomes law. It will subject people who are not strictly suffering from mental illness, to sectioning.”

Angry Libertarian Alliance spokesman Dr Sean Gabb said: “What on earth justifies the intervention of the police and compels him to have medical treatment?”

East Sussex County Council said “all proper procedures have been followed” — and such orders were “in the interests of that person’s health or safety or to protect other people”.
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Even if his stomach can't signal when it's full, shouldn't he have to common sense to know when to stop eating? Either way, it's certainly not something he should be punished for.
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For the Imperial-impaired,
1 official British stone = 14 pounds
so he weighs 434 lbs or ~197 kg.
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"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling social workers and police!"
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005082504,00.html

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Even if his stomach can't signal when it's full, shouldn't he have to common sense to know when to stop eating? Either way, it's certainly not something he should be punished for.
Not that I agree or disagree with the state here, but he's not being punished for it, any more than a mentally ill person is "punished" when confined.
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
Yeah, of a topless hot blonde. Man I love the more liberal media in Europe.
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Originally Posted by CaptainMarvel
Not that I agree or disagree with the state here, but he's not being punished for it, any more than a mentally ill person is "punished" when confined.
Of course it's punishment. Most people who are forcibly commited don't have the mental faculties to grasp the settings around them. This is a mentally healthy adult who has had a freedom he's aware of and can comprehend ripped from him. This is just like being in prision, only with less rape.
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
Of course it's punishment. Most people who are forcibly commited don't have the mental faculties to grasp the settings around them. This is a mentally healthy adult who has had a freedom he's aware of and can comprehend ripped from him. This is just like being in prision, only with less rape.
It's really no different than entering someone into rehabilitation for drug addiction. Only instead of using the indirect reasoning of controlling the substance, they are directly saying he is destroying himself.

You can say that this is government control and blah blah, but the point is the guy is 440 lbs. That is fucking heavy. That's like two of me and then some.

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3 of me and then some
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And he also suffers from a medical disease. I know how much some of our otter friends respect diseases of this nature (ADD, etc.), but it is a recognized disease.
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I say execution by firing squad. No sympathy for people who's mass is equivalent to that of an average automobile.
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It doesn't matter if it's 10 of you. The fact is it's his body and he should be free to do with it as he pleases provided he's not hurting someone else or someone else's property.
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
It doesn't matter if it's 10 of you. The fact is it's his body and he should be free to do with it as he pleases provided he's not hurting someone else or someone else's property.
Well I'm glad you got a chance to weigh in with your Libertarian views.

But, this is happening in the UK, not the US. And as Americans have told many people, "It's not your country! Butt out!" .
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
Of course it's punishment. Most people who are forcibly commited don't have the mental faculties to grasp the settings around them. This is a mentally healthy adult who has had a freedom he's aware of and can comprehend ripped from him. This is just like being in prision, only with less rape.
Just because he doesn't like it doesn't make it "punishment." They aren't doing it with any intent to punish the guy... they're trying to assist him. This isn't punishment any more than a mother making her child eat his vegetables is.

It's paternalistic and arguably demeaning, but it's not punishment, because it isn't done with any punitive intent.
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Originally Posted by Brain Stew
And he also suffers from a medical disease. I know how much some of our otter friends respect diseases of this nature (ADD, etc.), but it is a recognized disease.
Whoa, this is more than just a "disease of [that] nature":

Originally Posted by NORML54601
Chris, of Hastings, East Sussex, suffers from an incurable condition called Prader-Willi Syndrome. It means he can’t tell when his stomach is full and could eat so much that it will kill him.
Not an accurate description of Prader-Willi, but it is quite a devastating disease.

From emedicine.com:

Background: Prader-Willi syndrome (PWS) is a chromosomal microdeletion/disomy disorder arising from deletion or disruption of genes in the proximal arm of chromosome 15 or maternal disomy of the proximal arm of chromosome 15. Commonly associated characteristics of this disorder include diminished fetal activity, obesity, hypotonia, mental retardation, short stature, hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, strabismus, and small hands and feet.
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More from pwsausa.org:
Unfortunately, no appetite suppressant has worked consistently for people with PWS. Most require an extremely low-calorie diet all their lives and must have their environment designed so that they have very limited access to food. For example, many families have to lock the kitchen or the cabinets and refrigerator. As adults, most affected individuals can control their weight best in a group home designed specifically for people with PWS, where food access can be restricted without interfering with the rights of those who don't need such restriction.
Even from a libertarian standpoint, I'm not sure what the state did was wrong. This guy really isn't an adult with full control of his mental faculties.
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Maybe he can eat his way out.
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Originally Posted by OldDude
For the Imperial-impaired,
1 official British stone = 14 pounds
so he weighs 434 lbs or ~197 kg.
I was going to say maybe the man's a diabetic, but I guess that is not very likely.
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005082504,00.html

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Even if his stomach can't signal when it's full, shouldn't he have to common sense to know when to stop eating? Either way, it's certainly not something he should be punished for.
They simplified it WAY too much. Prader Willi comes with many other symptoms that are much more than that. I've worked with about a half dozen people that have this and they're far from having much common sense. It's more of a mental disorder than a physical one, from my observation. I had one client that stole a roommate's frozen ham and ate it all while locked in his bedroom...and then freaked out when they wanted to take his ham away because it was HIS.

Anyways, in this case it looks like the authorities MIGHT have overreacted in taking him away. With the locking of the cupboards, it sounds like the family was trying to get a handle on the problem. Hopefully, they'll get the family involved in the treatment so they can have practical solutions to deal with the problem if and when he's released.
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yay he's gone! more food for the rest of us
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Also, its important to remember that people with Prader-Willi also have Mental Retardation, and for instance, in the state of NY, if you do not try to assist and aid the issue, you can be charged with abuse. Not sure if its the same in England, but more than likely it is the same.
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
Of course it's punishment. Most people who are forcibly commited don't have the mental faculties to grasp the settings around them.
This is completely wrong. The vast majority of people that are committed are lucid and aware.

There is a different between a short-term in-patient stay, and a long-term committment. Most in-patient facilities are NOT like the movies. I would need to look it up, but I think it is pretty safe to say that a majority of people who are placed into short-term in-patient care are there BECAUSE they are a threat to themselves or others. (In the US it is called being "Baker Acted"....for suicide attempts/threats/thoughts) They are aware of their surrounding, but because they cannot be trusted on their own...they are taken in.

Furthermore...if the person is a threat to themselves or others, they can be committed. The social worker (and state) obviously thought he was a risk to himself, so they checked him in for a 28 (1 month) stay.

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So what...he gets 28 days to get some counseling and learn more about his condition and how to deal with it better so that he can live a happier and healthier life. How is this bad again?
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Seems like there should have been a better way to handle it, personally.
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Seems like there should have been a better way to handle it, personally.
Forced sterilization is nearly always a good answer.

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