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Old 02-03-05, 08:30 AM
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City forcefully cleans woman's home & makes her pay for it

http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,...?search=filter

Fire hazard or cozy home?

Woman forced out of junk-filled home

By Sonya Geis , Staff Writer

MONROVIA -- After months of fighting city hall, Mary Lou Mills lost her battle Monday to keep years of accumulated possessions packed into her house.
The city has long pressured Mills to clean out the mounds of clothes, dishes, boxes, papers and just plain junk that fill every corner of her three-bedroom home. This week, armed with a court order that requires Mills to stay 100 feet away, professional organizers will store or throw away everything but the basics.

Speaking from a Motel 6 where she is staying with her daughter and son-in-law, Mills, who is in her 70s, said she was unprepared to leave and angry at city officials for forcing the cleanup.

"I've lived in my house for 42 years and raised my family there,' she said. "This isn't Nazi Germany.'

City officials say they have given Mills repeated warnings that she must clean the property herself or have it done for her.

The situation came to their attention after a 2002 fire in Mills' house. No one was injured, but firefighters said they could not get back in if there were another fire.

Much of what Mills has saved papers, clothes, books is combustible. It is also a magnet for rodents. And the stacks don't stop in the house. The garage, carport and parts of the yard are also stuffed with rusting lawn mowers and yellowing newspapers, plus the occasional new appliance still in its box.

Earlier this year, Mills hired the Center for Organization and Goal Planning to help her meet the city's demands to de-clutter. The Canoga Park company specializes in cases like Mills'. Over a period of months, the Center's director, Dorothy Breininger, her staff, and Mills managed to mostly clear the living room and much of the dining room.

But in the past six months, the cleared areas have filled up again.

"There's only so much time the city can give her because of the danger her property represents,' said Bill Skiles, head of code enforcement at the city of Monrovia.

On Sunday at noon, Mills was escorted from her house by a police officer, she said. She will be kept out until next weekend. Her son, daughter and son-in- law came to the house early Monday, where they joined city and county officials and workers from the Center for Organization and Goal Planning.

"We're going to do what we need to do to satisfy everybody and keep Mom happy, and everything will be fine,' Betsy Randolph, Mills' daughter, said as she prepared to tackle the piles in the living room.

While some of Mills' possessions will be thrown out, the organizers intend to box much of it and put it in storage so Mills can sort through it away from the house.

The Center will charge Mills $18,500 for 14 or more employees to work through the week. They will come back to follow up with Mills afterward. The funds come from a lien on Mills' house.

"Our purpose is to sort through her things and still respect her dignity as much as possible,' David Factor, one of the professional organizers, said. "I think we'll be working a lot of hours.'
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Can they come clean my house next?
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Sounds like the old woman is nuts.

And yes, I've got a garage that could use straightening, they can swing by after they do Bandoman's crib.
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This sort of hoarding behavior/dementia in some elderly people is starting to become associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder and becoming looked at as more than just a "oh, s/he's a packrat, ha ha ha" thing. The problem needed to be solved because of the health hazards associated wit hoarding, but I don't know if essentially fining her to the tune of over $18 grand for her problem was the best way to do it. I've also read that if a hoarder's place is just cleaned without really addressing the person's problem, they just start hoarding again when they get back to the clean house. Pretty sad.
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I've got first hand experience (obtained last weekend) with this exact sort of situation.

Went to help a friend who is helping out a couple that is trying to get rid of tons of junk that their mother has accumulated. She's in her 60's and her house is just wall to wall with junk she picks up EVERYDAY.

They filled 2 roll-off containers to the top with stuff and that only emptied out part of the living room and garage. They had a huge garage sale with a lot of the things that were sellable and made $5000. Stupid thing was, they gave the money to her, and she promptly filled the house back up within the week. On top of all that, she has 3 storage rooms filled with junk.

She's now in a home while they sort out the house (which is what I was helping do) and seeing it in person was just jarring. One bedroom was wall to wall with clothes piled about 5' high. No place to walk, just enough space to open/close the door. There was just a small path between the piles of junk to get around the house.

On the plus side...I ended up grabbing a portable compressor, new BBQ utensil set, a new Star Wars droid army gun, some sheet music and a few other nic nacs
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What was an old woman doing with a Star Wars droid army gun?
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There will be a story like this about my wife & I in about 20 years (or sooner).
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Originally Posted by Nosmo Rex
There will be a story like this about my wife & I in about 20 years (or sooner).
Stashing bodies in your basement does not qualify you as a "pack rat."
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We don't have a basement, so we have to stash the bodies in the crawlspace.
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I heard of the city cutting peoples grass or removing junk cars and making the owner pay for it.
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I bet the ladies kids dont mind. After my grandma died it too my dad and his brothers about a month to clean out my grandma's house. There was about 3 dumpster loads of junk, like bags of clothes that opossoms have dug into and nested. I got to get a tetinous shot after reaching into a can of rusty pins.
I used to collect crap like crazy because i thought some day it would be come worth something. A few years back (i think after moving to a new house) i snapped that way of thinking and got rid of a bunch of junk. I figure that now days anything i hvae that may be valuable someone else already has ten copies of it in better condition.
Now if only i can get rid of my comics and baseball cards.
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Actually, this is interesting because I've wanted to know what to do about this very same problem.

We have a woman living in my apartment building who is EXACTLY like the woman described above. She's in her 60's/70's and is a mess. She lives on my floor but on the other side of the building. She talks to everyone she sees and spends the day roaming around collecting garbage and bringing it back to her apartment. I dont' even put out recycle any more because I know she goes through that as well. I know that the owner tried to have an intervention of some sort and when the city saw the place, they said it was an extreme fire hazard. They could have gone through there with shovels and tossed things aside. She then complained that people were breaking into her apartment and called the police.

In any case, she's still there and I was just wondering what someone could do to complain about it. As far as I know, she's also keeping our building from going co-op.

Any ideas?
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If it's a health hazard, call the city about it. Make a formal complaint. And if you can, take pics.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
What was an old woman doing with a Star Wars droid army gun?
Duh, playing Star Wars.
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Can they come clean my house next?

For 18,500 dollars I'LL come and clean your house
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
If it's a health hazard, call the city about it. Make a formal complaint. And if you can, take pics.
Can't take pics because you can't really see in her windows because they're so dirty.

But how about if i make a sound recording of all the trash falling out of her apt every time she opens the door.
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That works.

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Can't take pics because you can't really see in her windows because they're so dirty.

But how about if i make a sound recording of all the trash falling out of her apt every time she opens the door.
That sucks she is keeping you from going coop. I would constantly make complaints to the city regarding it being a fire hazard, also mention you feel there has been an increase in rodent activity.
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"There's only so much time the city can give her because of the danger her property represents,' said Bill Skiles, head of code enforcement at the city of Monrovia.
Who, exactly, is endangered by this besides her? It's her house...she owns it. as long as it's not filled with urine and feces I dont' see what the problem is. If she wants to live in a house full of combustible papers, let her.
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I wonder if it was as bad as this: (and discussed here: http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346949)
My mother is insane. Like, one of those ladies you see on the local news insane. Since it's inevitably going to come up I'll get out of the way that I am too, but at least I take a full dose of my medication. I've been meaning to make this thread for about the last year, but the longer I waited the more interesting the situation became. Also, I'm incredibly lazy. Case in point, these pictures are about three weeks old. Anyway, lets take a tour of our house.

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Here's the house from the outside. Looks a bit overgrown, but fairly normal. Come inside, won't you?

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Okay, about here's where things start to look a little off.

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Behind the door is one of many piles of boxes. At the bottom of that pile is a chair that used to be for sitting down to put on shoes, now it's just structual support. Note that you can't actually open the door all the way anymore, it hits that box with the Target bag on it about 2/3s of the way.

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A look into the living room. There's no way to get over to any of that stuff on the far wall, so when that light bulb burns out we're screwed. That wood on top of that birdcage is so my mom doesn't have to spend money on sticks for the birds. And yes that first cage is empty. But we'll visit the birds later.

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Have a seat on the couch- Oh, there seems to be a few things on it, sorry. That Christmas stuff in the forground is from at least last year.

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A look out into the living room. My mom likes to buy old glass crap, and also other old crap that's not made of glass, off of eBay. In fact most of the stuff you can see is from eBay. That chair in front of the desk and most of the drawers can't be pulled out, as they are blocked by boxes.

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The couch, a.k.a. one of only three places to sit down outside of my room. The footstool is always on the couch, since there's no room for it elsewhere. All those books on the ground are old boring coffee table books from eBay. You've probably noticed the wall of boxes in the background. This was built specifically to prevent people from being able to tell if the kitchen light was on, enabling my mom to hide out from anyone who might stop by. No, I don't know what's in any of the boxes.

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The twenty-year old TV and the ten-year old VCR. The picture tube on the TV is dying, and the image is dark, blurry, and tinted. That pile of US Mail boxes with the "fragile" box on top can be pivoted to the left to allow a wider viewing arc. You can see some of my 3rd-grade artwork on display there above the TV.

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The birds. My mom has five parakeets, and is looking for a sixth. Only the first two cages have birds in them. The third was bought about a year ago and was never set up. Notice that even the inside of the bird cages are crowded.

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A view behind the wall of boxes, at what used to be the coffee table. You usually can't see back here, I had to hold the camera at arm's length around the edge. As you can see, she saves empty birdseed containers.

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The other side of the living room. My mom was big into glass paperweights for a while, though usually bottles and dishes are here thing. You see the disruption in the layer of dust on the chair there? That's where she fell a while ago when trying to climb over stuff to open the window just off the left of the picture. There's also at least two broken bottles back there somewhere that have fallen but there's no way to get back there to clean them up. I'm assured all this stuff in quite valuable, by the way.

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A full view of that wall. You can see the dangerous window here. Those plants on top of the bookshelf died because there was to way to water them. They've been sitting there decomposing for a few years now.

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Under the tables is full too. In the front are a bunch of old Popular Sciences she bought off eBay a while ago. The rest of the floor space is filled with more dishes.

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The other bookshelves. More books, more bottles, and assorted small toys. Most of these books are outdated old college textbooks from the 70's.

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The hallway to my mom's bedroom and the bathroom. The two opposing doors are closets that you can't get to without spending half an hour moving all those boxes. Behind that chair and flag is the water heater. Hopefully we'll never need to get to it.


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And here's my mom's bedroom. You were probably expecting a bed or something. It's there, somewhere underneath all those boxes. My mom decided storing this stuff is more important that having a place to sleep. So where does my mom sleep? Remember that 2/3rds of a couch back in the living room? Yep, every night. No I don't know what's in any of these boxes either. Most of them are from eBay and have never been opened, just put straight on the pile.

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The view from the other door of the bathroom.

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A view from the back of the room, down that little path visible two pictures up.

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My mom's shirt pile. There's no accessable drawers in the room, so this is where she keeps her clothes. Now that I think about it, I don't know where she keeps the rest of her clothes, since that's just shirts. I'm guessing they're in a box somewhere.

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The bathroom. It's only remarkable in that it's the widest open space outside of my room. It's the only place you could actually stick your arms out and spin around. You know, if you wanted to.

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Back out of the hallway, a shot back towards the front door. That's an old mink hat sticking on the left there, not a random wild animal.

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Into the kitchen. Underneath the center pile is the dining room table, and underneath the dining room table is more boxes. A bunch of the food in here is several years old, and from a dollar store, but my mom still won't throw it away.

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The magnet collection. At least this is kind of normal, in things to collect. I probably should have taken a picture of the inside of the refridgerator, but you can imagine it. It looks just like the rest of the house, but with food.

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The other side of the pile. That one box is full of cereal, all of it expired except the Frankenberry. In fact, everything in that front box is expired too. I don't eat any of this expired stuff by the way, it's all hers.

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The sliding glass door is right to the left there, about two-thirds blocked by boxes. The boxes are placed specifically to allow just enough room to let the curtains open and close. That chair in front of the computer is the second of three places to sit.

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My mom's computer. From here she buys all this shit. The tower's the current computer, there's just nowhere else to put the desktop. That TV's a little black and white one that cost $20 on clearance at Target. It broke after about a month, and only the sound works. It's still there though. Those buttplug looking things on the monitor are old glass insulators they used to use on telegraph and telephone lines. I'm assured they also are quite valuable.

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Under the table is just enough room for her feet. I guess she has to move that boxlid every time she sits down, I don't know.

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The calendar wall. You might have noticed a bunch of calendars all around the house. Early this year they put a calendar store in the factory outlets by our house, selling out all the old current calendars. My mom bought several hundred of them, because they were cheap. Some went up, a few were given out as gifts, a bunch are still around in boxes somewhere. No, she won't throw them away when the year's over. Also notice they're all on different months.

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A sink with a bunch of crap on it. There's cups full of hotel pens, old postcards, a bowl full of old fortune cookie papers, and I don't know what else. I see some corn holders in there. That yellow bucket on the end has candy from two Easters ago.

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Down there's my mom's "desk". Most of those boxes on the right are filled with old newspapers and magazines. Fortunatly we don't get any newspapers or magazines anymore, so that collection's stagnant.

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The third place to sit. That's all old mail on the left. She also stole my SA mug and filled it with pens. Not like I drink anything from mugs anyway I guess. On somewhat of a tangent, we live in Folsom, CA, home of the famous Folsom Prison. One of the perks of living in a prison city is we don't have to seperate out recycleables from our garbage. We just throw everything away, and they drive it up to the Prison and make the prisoners dig through it. As a result of this, my mom will never throw anything away with her name on it, since she's convinced one of the prisoners will steal her identity. I try to explain to her that not only are the odds of someone choosing her identity to steal are slim on their own, if someone is going to try to steal an identity they're probably not going to pick someone in the lower middle class. Still, she insists on cutting up everything, down to the address tags on every piece of mail we get. So most of those pieces of paper there are old pieces of junk mail she won't throw away. She originally used to go through and cut it up every couple of weeks, but now I think we have a few years built up.

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The dishwasher. That jack-o-lantern bucket's a recent addition, but I don't expect it to be going anywhere anytime soon. Note the phone has a cord, and the answering machine uses tapes.

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This is the washer/dryer nook. Whenever she does wash she has to spend about an hour disassembling this pile and moving it to the middle of the hallway. She won't let me do my own wash, because she's convinced I'm going to break this stuff in the process of setting it five feet to the left.

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Photographic proof of a washer/dryer. I don't know what that thing on the right is. I think it's a roll-up blanket or something.

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Turning around from the hallway is the bubblewrap pile. This is all taken from incoming eBay packages. She keeps it for packing in the event she ever actually gets rid of anything. She never does. That Scooby-Doo's again from at least last Christmas. That's a Lego Darth Vader fighting a Lego Obi-wan Kenobi on the back of Lego dinosaurs in the middle there. That part's pretty cool. That plastic thing above the gay plush lizard is an old candy tray mom's keeping because she thinks it looks pretty.

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Okay, before we head into my room let me explain a few things. I moved back down here from Seattle a few years ago to go to college. It was decided I would get the master bedroom, since it had cable and phone lines. My mom, who only has the one TV and never talked on the phone in her room anyway, moved into the other bedroom. You saw what happened there. Right before I moved down she assured me the bedroom was cleared out. So imagine my surpise when I get down here only to find there were still three dressers in the room, still full of her clothes. Not only that, but there was no room in the garage to put any of my boxes, so everything I owned had to go into this one room. She said she'd clear out some room in the garage, but as you can guess that didn't happen...

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So here's my room. That pile of boxes right in front of the door is some of her stuff that has been creeping in. That bubble wrap above it is covering the "displayed" part of my Transformer collection, since anything that's not covered gets coated with a thick layer of dust in a few weeks. The bed was hers, but would have been too much trouble to move. That thing I agreed to have left in the room.

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More of my room. Most of my boxes are all full of old schoolwork, childhood toys, and electronics that in a normal house would be in the garage, but not here. I get to live with them every day. Also I have a large fuzzy mushroom with a pillow on top.

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This is something you might have seen in some other parts of the house but it's most visible here. In addition to closing the curtains, my mom covers the small windows with cardboard to "keep the heat in/out", depending on season. I'm not sure how that's supposed to create any measureable affect on the total temperature, but she got mad whenever I took them down so now I just live with them.

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The other side of my room, leading to the bathroom.

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The closets are still full of her old clothes, since I don't need closet space. The thing is they're both just as full as this all the way down their length, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't fit in most of these clothes anymore. A lot of these clothes are from the 70's and 80's.

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My bathroom. The exercise bike showed up while I was gone one summer, then the vacuum a little later. The bike is useful as a clothes rack. Time for a bathroom story. One time I ran out of toothpaste or floss or something, so I opened the medicine cabinet looking for more. Instead, I found the bathroom cabinet full of my old prescription bottles. I then realized I'd never thrown a prescription bottle away, I'd get new ones, and the old ones had just disappeared. I'd never thought about it. I confronted my mom, and she told me she was keeping hers too, and was saving them to cut the labels off so the prisoners wouldn't know what medications we were on. I told her that was crazy, and that I was going to throw mine away. A few days later I went to do that, only to find they were all gone. Mom took them all, and hid them in a box somewhere so I couldn't throw them away. They were out of my way, so I didn't pursue it any further. I make sure to throw my old bottles away now though.

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The master bathroom's shower. Since the door when opened would drip onto carpet, my mom decided not to use this shower. So she did the only natural thing and filled it with boxes. We use the shower/bath in the other bathroom.

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On the way back out of my bedroom, just a quick look at a small fraction of the crappy books gotten from eBay.

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Okay, into the backyard. A house down the street was having a moving sale, and gave my mom that table for free because they didn't want to move it. It's solid oak, and two people can barely lift it. She put it there to keep it out of the rain, which is also why there's a piece of cardboard on top. It didn't work, and now it's spliting. You can see some more saved birdseed jars on it there.

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The backyard. My mom didn't have it landscaped to save money, and now it grows wild. Normally it's all brown, but there was rain a few days ago. That clump in the middle is the compost pile, and the stuff off to the right is the remains of her garden. Those are old fence boards proping up tomato baskets, if you're wondering. She also used old fence boards to surround the strawberry patch, for some reason.

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This is some of the neighbor's groundcover she's letting grow into the yard. I don't know why. In the summer it's full of bees.

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There's pallets along the back of the house, because in winter that part turns into a mud pit.

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The garage. This thing has looked pretty much the same for the last couple of years, since there's no room for anything to be added to it.

http://www.auburn.edu/~millisr/house/house50.jpg
More of the garage stuff. That used to be a path to the back, but now it's too narrow to fit through.

http://www.auburn.edu/~millisr/house/house51.jpg
Chairs in the rafters.

http://www.auburn.edu/~millisr/house/house52.jpg
Behind our garage is part of a streetlamp post stolen from a demolition site. It was going to be a support for the gate across our driveway, but proved to be unsuitable. Now we don't know how to get rid of it. That bush back there is some kind of giant weed, by the way. There's a couple of them in the yard.

So that's my mom's house. As for why I'm still living here, I'm a full time student who's too lazy to move. I'm getting pretty close to moving in with my grandma though, since these boxes keep creeping further and further into my room. And since it was on the same card as all of those house pictures, here's a picture of a sculpture at my campus that looks like a butt.

http://www.auburn.edu/~millisr/house/butt_sculpture.jpg
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That thread was the first thing I thought of, also.

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This happened to my (former) next door neighbor two years ago.

The summer before we moved into our house, my neighbor had a pit bull that terrorized the neighborhood (never tied up, always un-supervised). It wasn't long until he got a hold of a yellow lab puppy and ripped his face up pretty good, as well as took a chunk out of his back (I've seen the scars, some nasty shit).

Well, the neighborhood got together to sue this guy and have the dog put to sleep (successfully). As a big F-you to the neighbors, he refused to mow his lawn, and started throwing his garbage into his back yard (sometimes front yard). By the end (sometime in August) it looked like a poorly irrigated wheat field with random burn marks and downed trees (we had a pretty bad ice-storm that took down a bunch of limbs and whole trees in our neighborhood the prior winter). Again, the neighbors got together and convinced the town to intervene.

Eventually, the town contracted a landscaper to come clean up the yard, and they brought in the heavy, industrial-sized equipment. It was a completely half-assed attempt at clean-up, but still a sight to see. They mowed around downed trees and garbage bags, only really concentrating on land closest to us neighbors.

As a side-note, this guy finally got evicted (and was apparenly wanted for various other crimes). When the house went up for sale, our realtor brought over the keys and we took a look inside. I've never seen anything like it. GARBAGE EVERYWHERE! All over the place. Gaping holes punched/kicked through walls/doors. "Die Bitch, Die!" spray-painted on the bedroom walls. Worst was the heinous stench that came from the place. Obviously, we're glad this guy is gone.
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Originally Posted by brizz
Who, exactly, is endangered by this besides her? It's her house...she owns it. as long as it's not filled with urine and feces I dont' see what the problem is. If she wants to live in a house full of combustible papers, let her.
I agree. Since when does a city have the right to dictate how someone lives in the privacy of thier own house? If they can throw this woman out, and charge her $18,500 to force her to conform to how the city wants her to live, I say they have made a precedent and should go after the
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Originally Posted by brizz
Who, exactly, is endangered by this besides her? It's her house...she owns it. as long as it's not filled with urine and feces I dont' see what the problem is. If she wants to live in a house full of combustible papers, let her.
Do rodent urine and feces count? Because her place is a rodent paradise.
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but who does that affect besides her? No one as far as I can tell from the article. Their position seems to be that the fire department said they wouldn't be able to maneuver in HER HOUSE if it caught on fire again. So? That would be her problem.

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