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Old 01-03-05, 08:02 PM
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Anyone have the knowledge to date a couple of liquor bottles?

Here's the story:

A co-worker of mine a few years ago found these left behind in a storage unit they were about to rent. Both bottles are completely unopened and full. I found them interesting, so I paid him a few dollars for them and brought them home. I'm not looking for value as much as approximate dates for them. I can't tell so much about the cognac, but the creme de menthe looks kind of old, so I contacted the company via email, sent them a picture and asked if they could date it. They said they'd have to send the pic to the home offices in France, but I never heard anything back after that. Several months later, I tried again to email...nothing this time at all. A third time found that the US offices for this company had been shut down.

It's not anything major that's been taxing my every thought or anything, but I was just curious if anyone here knows anything (or maybe knows someone who knows anything) about possibly putting a date on these.

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don't liquor bottles (like cigs) have to have a liquor tax stamp on them or is that just a state to state thing?
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Old 01-03-05, 08:19 PM
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Doesn't look like either bottle had any kind of stamp like that on them. Looks like they actually came directly from France, so maybe they don't use the stamps.
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Old 01-03-05, 08:21 PM
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If I had to guess, I'd say the MArie Brizard is from the early to mid-sixties, and the Camus from the late seventies to the early eighties.

Of course, that's just a guess.

As for tax stamps, I know we haven't had those in Texas anyway cince the early eighties. Maybe the Brizard was a commemorative bottle that was actually produced later than my guess.

Another thing, if an individual brought them over from France, and didn't declare them, they would obviously not have stamps, either state or customs.

An initial looksee on Google turned up nothing immediate.
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Originally Posted by Mutley Hyde
If I had to guess, I'd say the MArie Brizard is from the early to mid-sixties, and the Camus from the late seventies to the early eighties.

Of course, that's just a guess.
That was my initial guess on the MB, too.

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An initial looksee on Google turned up nothing immediate.
Yeah...I tried that.
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odd. I thought alcohol tax stamps were a federal thing, but my bottle of rum has no stamp
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I'm tellin' y'all, federal or state, tax stamps went out with Stretch Armstrong.
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sure! gimme a couple of liquor bottles and i'll date anything!!
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By the way, I'm thinking the sugars in the creme de menthe would break down and it'd taste pretty rotten. I've had really old liquers before, and they just don't hold up well, even unopened.

Now, the cognac on the other hand, with a much higher alcohol content (i.e., less sugar) would probably be wonderful. Crack that baby open and pour us a round!
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Yeah, i'd think that the Cognac would probably be better now....not so much the creme de menthe....Kind of like the difference between a 25 year and 10 year scotch. you might have a gem of a bottle right there and not even know it?

the real question is: when you sell it for $2,000, do you let the guy know that gave it to you?
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Originally Posted by brizz
sure! gimme a couple of liquor bottles and i'll date anything!!
I just knew a "date" joke was forthcoming. You, sir, live up to my expectations.
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Originally Posted by Mutley Hyde


By the way, I'm thinking the sugars in the creme de menthe would break down and it'd taste pretty rotten. I've had really old liquers before, and they just don't hold up well, even unopened.
Yes, the menthe definitely has these white, flaky things floating around in it.
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Originally Posted by brizz
the real question is: when you sell it for $2,000, do you let the guy know that gave it to you?
Let's put it this way: it's been a few years ago, I don't work there anymore, and to be honest I don't remember the name of the guy.

I vote no.
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You, sir, live up to my expectations.
See brizz, I told you someone would tell you that someday.
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Originally Posted by brizz
Yeah, i'd think that the Cognac would probably be better now....not so much the creme de menthe....Kind of like the difference between a 25 year and 10 year scotch. you might have a gem of a bottle right there and not even know it?

the real question is: when you sell it for $2,000, do you let the guy know that gave it to you?
Once out of the cask and into the glass, liquors don't really age anymore. They can mellow, and the flavors can blend a little more evenly, but they don't age like they would in the cask. For example, if you buy a 10 year old Glenmorangie single malt scotch, it might taste a little better in 8 years, but would still in no way match the 18 year Glenmorangie that spent an extra 8 years in the cask.

Stop me if I'm tellin' ya stuff you already know.

And damnit, now I'm thirsty!
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
See brizz, I told you someone would tell you that someday.
My life is complete thanks to liquor. I knew it would happen eventually.
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Originally Posted by Mutley Hyde
Once out of the cask and into the glass, liquors don't really age anymore. They can mellow, and the flavors can blend a little more evenly, but they don't age like they would in the cask. For example, if you buy a 10 year old Glenmorangie single malt scotch, it might taste a little better in 8 years, but would still in no way match the 18 year Glenmorangie that spent an extra 8 years in the cask.

Stop me if I'm tellin' ya stuff you already know.

And damnit, now I'm thirsty!
Yeah...that occurred to me after I hit submit...so it goes.

and yes, now i'm thirsty too. I had a couple of beers new years day, but haven't had a 'drink' yet this year....that is wrong on so many levels.
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Originally Posted by brizz
My life is complete thanks to liquor. I knew it would happen eventually.
Careful, that's sig material.

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Yes, the menthe definitely has these white, flaky things floating around in it.
Then definitely a museum piece, don't open. I hope you do get a read on both though, this shit's downright Antiques Roadshow innerestin'!

Another thing I'll say about the Camus though, the reason I date it later is that the paint job just looks too modern. It's too perfect and bright. But who knows? Is that a metal or plastic cap?

Originally Posted by brizz
Yeah...that occurred to me after I hit submit...so it goes.

and yes, now i'm thirsty too. I had a couple of beers new years day, but haven't had a 'drink' yet this year....that is wrong on so many levels.
That is wrong, get drinkin'!

Me, I have egg nog that's fit to go bad soon, so I've been sipping on that nightly... and what the hell is egg nog without bourbon, I ask?? Now that's wrong!

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Originally Posted by Mutley Hyde
Another thing I'll say about the Camus though, the reason I date it later is that the paint job just looks too modern. It's too perfect and bright. But who knows? Is that a metal or plastic cap?
Funny you should ask. I was going to mention that earlier in the OP, but I didn't think it pertinent for the purpose of dating. It's a metal screw-off lid which I assume doubles as a shot glass!

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Oh wow, that shot makes it look like a totally different animal! It looks taller and more slender here, and the font, especially viewed at a more dead on angle, does look more dated than in the first shot. And what with the metal cap/shot cup combo, I would definitely add some more years to my initial guess.

Thanks for the extra pic! Looks like quite a nice little artifact there.
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It's actually only 7 1/2" tall.

The initial pics in the OP are about 2 years old. I think my camera was a little better back then. Different lighting, too. The pic with the lid off I just took before I posted it. However, the bottles have been displayed the same way all this time, and no additional damage or anything has been done to them. I'll see if I can duplicate the OP pic with the same camera.

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I didn't mean tall like that, but just that it looks more squat in the first shot, more like the flask glass style of today's pints.
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It's actually only 7 1/2" tall.
That's what I kept telling her, but she still ran away.
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That thar glass is green, which would lead me to believe it has to be at least 30 years old....
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That's what I kept telling her, but she still ran away.
(insert rim shot here)
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