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bin Laden located?

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The following appears courtesy of The Arizona Daily Star.
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Bin Laden is located, says 9/11 panelist

Pakistani allies keeping him safe
By Jim Mohr
SAN BERNARDINO SUN

CLAREMONT, Calif. - The Pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, it just can't get to him, John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 Commission, said Thursday.

Lehman's remarks echoed those made Tuesday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said the al-Qaida leader was alive and operating in the western part of Pakistan.

Bin Laden is living in South Waziristan in the Baluchistan Mountains of the Baluchistan region, Lehman told the San Bernardino Sun after delivering a keynote speech on terrorism at Pitzer College in Claremont.

In the interview, Lehman noted, "There is an American presence in the area, but we can't just send in troops. If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."

When pressed on why the United States couldn't send troops into the region to capture the world's No. 1 terrorist, Lehman said the Baluchistan region of the country is filled with militant fundamentalists who do not recognize the legitimacy of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, a close ally of the United States.

"That is a region filled with Taliban and al-Qaida members," he said, acknowledging that Pakistan's security services also are filled with many who agree with bin Laden's beliefs and would aid him if U.S. Special Forces entered the region.

"Look," he said, "Musharraf already has had three assassination attempts on his life. He is trying to comply, but he is surrounded by people who do not agree with him. This is not like Afghanistan, where there was no compliance, and we had to go in.

"We'll get (bin Laden) eventually, just not now."

Asked how bin Laden was surviving, Lehman said he was getting money from outside countries, such as the United Arab Emirates, and high-ranking ministers inside Saudi Arabia.

"He is not a wealthy man," Lehman said. "We ran that information into the ground, and discovered he only receives about $1 million a year from his family's fortune. The rest of what he gets comes from radical sympathizers."

Department of Defense spokeswoman Capt. Ronnie Merritt confirmed the U.S. military believes bin Laden is in Pakistan. However, she would not comment on Lehman's remarks, except to say that he normally didn't speak about these issues, and she was surprised he had.

Lehman, secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan, was one of the 10 members of the bipartisan commission that examined the terrorists attacks on the United States.

He also is the author of three books about military tactics.

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/44654.php
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They will get him about 6 days before the election.
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Re: bin Laden located?

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"He is not a wealthy man," Lehman said.
Open a Wal-Mart in the area and wait for him to apply for a job.
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If they new where he was they'd get him ASAP.
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Re: Re: bin Laden located?

Originally posted by aintnosin
Open a Wal-Mart in the area and wait for him to apply for a job.
Having to work at Wal-Mart would probably be a fitting punishment.
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Isn't this like the 4th of 5th time we've known where he is?

Even if we "roughly" know where he is..

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Personally, I think he's been dead for years and we're chasing a ghost.
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"He is not a wealthy man," ... "he only receives about $1 million a year from his family's fortune"

goddamn! I'd LOVE to not be a wealthy man.
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Originally posted by RoyalTea
"He is not a wealthy man," ... "he only receives about $1 million a year from his family's fortune"

goddamn! I'd LOVE to not be a wealthy man.
Remember... this is the Bush Administration we're talking about. To them, < $1 Million a year is pratically on welfare...
Old 10-22-04, 05:19 PM
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Exactly, no need to risk troops. We don't want him alive, we just want enough pieces for DNA testing. The less accurate the location, the bigger the bomb.

However, well intended or not, the story is bs.

Edit: But we can't count him as dead til we have a bag of body parts for DNA testing, preferably parts he can't live without, like a head or a heart.
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This was expected....just before the election!
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if this is true, why would the guy publicize it? now bin laden could just move.

also, if it were true, we'd just bomb the mountains until they look like Kansas
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Originally posted by Venusian
if this is true, why would the guy publicize it? now bin laden could just move.
That could be your answer since it seems we can't get him where he is right now.
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Originally posted by OldDude
We don't want him alive, we just want enough pieces for DNA testing.
Screw that. There would be conspiracies for decades about Americans faking his capture. The ghost of his alleged freedom would continue to create terrorists.

No, we need extensive footage of bin Laden being captured and brought before an international court. No one seems to be denying that Saddam Hussein is in U.S. custody.

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Old 10-22-04, 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
Screw that. There would be conspiracies for decades about Americans faking his capture. The ghost of his alleged freedom would continue to create terrorists.

No, we need extensive footage of bin Laden being captured and brought before an international court. No one seems to be denying that Saddam Hussein is in U.S. custody.

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No one seems to be denying the Israelis tagged Yassin, Ghoul, etc. Or that we got Saddam's sons.
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Originally posted by OldDude
No one seems to be denying the Israelis tagged Yassin, Ghoul, etc. Or that we got Saddam's sons.
Conspiracies thrive on shadowy motives. There is hardly the same political motivation to lie about capturing other terrorists as there is to lie about Osama bin Laden.

We had lots of photos of Saddam's kids, and we allowed a lot of Iraqis to inspect the bodies. Even then, there was a little talk of some kind of trickery, but it died quickly.

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Old 10-22-04, 09:33 PM
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OBL is dead. And any comments by the US to the contrary are meant to stir terrorist cells.
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The experts I saw on tv said that they think its better if he is caught and humiliated like Saddam, he'll lose a lot of the respect he has. If he is killed he becomes a martyr
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Saddam outran the US for 9 months until he was ratted out by non-US personnel or intel. Who humiliated whom?

Let's play along and assume OBL is alive.

1) I say grab a video camera, and film US forces firing on his body until he's a red puree.

or

2) Cut his head off, and while the camera is still rolling, stick it in a jar and play "hot potatoe" with it.

There are many ways to humuliate a man, but going the way of Saddam, is not humuliation.

Now, that is not martyrdom. That's defeat. These experts on tv wouldn't know terrorism if it bit them on the ass and flipped out a sign that said..."TERRORISM".

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1) I say grab a video camera, and film US forces firing on his body until he's a red puree.

or

2) Cut his head off, and while the camera is still rolling, stick it in a jar and play "hot potatoe" with it.
Yes, let's resort to the same kind of savage brutality that we denounce the terrorists for utilizing. Because we haven't yet lost all of our credibility.

America's finest actions occur when it holds true to its principles, including the rule of law.

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And it will the US's final fate when they take their last breath at the sword of a fanatic, saying to him, "But by God, we didn't stoop to your level!"

What's wrong with resorting to the same kind of brutality as they give us? Morality has nothing to do with brutality, which as nothing to do with credibility.

These are violent punks who think they can get away with murder. We have these kinds of thugs on the streets in the US already. You don't talk to a thug, you kick his ass, break a few fingers, and tell him if he comes around harassing people again, it'll be something worse.

Terrorists don't talk on the same level as we do, so we must come to their level.

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"If we did we could have another vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."

Yeah! We've already got another Vietnam going on, we can't afford two at once!

"region filled with Taliban and Al-Qaida members."

The same Taliban that we destroyed in Afghanistan? I'll bet those Al-Qaida members that are in that area with him (assuming he is there and alive) probably MORE than make up for the 75% top guys we've allegedly gotten rid of...sweet hey-zoos we are so fucked with this "war."

Didn't Bush say at one point that we "can't win IT"? I'm fairly sure that was in reference to the "war on terrorism", and I agree. It's a war that has no true home base, no true physical location. Is it in Iraq? Yup. Is it in Afghanistan? Wouldn't be surprised. Is it in here in the US? We've seen it happen already a few times, peaking (thus far) with 9/11/01. For all the cells we kill/destroy, there are more in place, perhaps for as long, if not longer than other cells. And if we killed them all, more would be in training as we killed those cells.

Sure, we've got a face we attached to it, OBL. Even though we're no longer really concerned with him. Now it's the King Behead-A-Hostage, he's the new face of evil. If we get him? Someone else will pop up in his place. If we kill OBL? He becomes a martyr, and motivates even MORE folks to get involved in the war against us "infidels". There are folks in our country who think we are waging war against ISLAM, not just terrorism, but the whole of the Muslim faith for that matter. What's to stop them from becoming their own individual cells, without command from a "leader"? What's to stop a totally paranoid, hate-filled American from becoming a Timothy McVeigh? What if some "Anyone But Bush" person just totally snaps if Bush gets reelected, and decides to go build a bomb in their garage and decides to attack our country?

Oh dear god we are so fucked. -ohbharpo787-
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What's funny is that OBL is really of no concern. There is no "chatter" linking him directly with any of the latest terrorist events, only inuendo by "intelligence sources".

However, Zarqawi is a little terd, filled with ambition, has 1/10th the brain of OBL, and the US can't even find him, but he is getting along quite well with his messages to the world.

I mean really folks, who's the big dumbass in the Middle East. I'll give yah a hint: Unarmored vehicles, lack of supplies, old weapons, lack of weapons, can't find OBL, can't find Zarqawi, a certain country will never implement the draft because mommy doesn't want Johnny to get hurt, national guard are now officially soldiers without the training, prisoners treated with an abnormal overtone of sexual inuendo, no clear policies, no clear exit strategy, whimsical military assaults on insurgents...

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What's funny is that OBL is really of no concern.
Yeah, I guess we can forgive him for killing 3,000 Americans. That was a long time ago.

This statement was the most asinine thing Bush has ever said. Try not to be that guy.

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Kerry loves to take statements out of context about the current administration in regards to terrorism. Try not to be that guy, either in regards to my statements on OBL.

OBL is of no primary concern because while he was responsible for 3,000 American lives, we have Zarqawi who is racking up numbers himself--and oh gee golly whiz, we can't get him either.

Would you rather have most of the US forces trying to locate a dead skeletal corpse, deep within a cave, or would you rather have most of our forces trying to kill Zarqawi, who can be proven to be alive by the way, and who is currently recruiting more soldiers.

We have a serious problem. We are creating more terrorist leaders than we can kill. It's a classic Medusa.

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