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Old 10-22-04, 02:05 AM
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Weak move that I'm seeing more and more of a trend....

this is only based upon my experience in PokerStars, but I just saw it again observing the final table (of 3) in a tournament. It's the ability to sit out hands. Sure, you get blinded down, but if you are large stack, you can do it forever.

Case in point, at this final table. Chip leader has more than both the smaller stacks combined. He sits out, and lets them duke it out heads up. How ***** is that? That's the shit that pisses me off about online poker.
Old 10-22-04, 02:20 AM
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Who won? Let me guess, the Chip leader who walked away with the most cash?

This would change the rules of online poker- You could force a big blind on the chip leader after a certain number of folded hands.
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I didn't stay to watch the ending. I had to start my own game. I just think it's bullshit that you have the ability to sit back and watch everyone else duke it out. You should be forced to play. Even if you fold every hand, you shouldn't be allowed to just do nothing.
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I'm observing a tourny now. 5 players left and one guy with 3rd highest chip lead has folded the last 15 hands or so. But now he's played the last few.
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You guys seem to be of the opinion that people must play hands in order to be considered to be a good player. If they donít play, well they damn_well should be FORCED to play.

Thereís nothing in the rules says you have to put money in the pot, other than blinds and antes. If a player wants to sit out and risk being blinded off, Iím more than willing to alter my play to take advantage of that and steal a few blinds.

Likewise, if Iím headsup thereís nothing in the rules says I have to play every hand. It looks like thatís the way itís done on TV, but it ainít necessarily so.

Folding 15 hands in a row would not be unusual if the guyís not getting cards. Some of us have standards, ya know.
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I'm with Wizdar. It's annoying as hell if that guy is at your table, but if I am the big stack with 3 at the table, I ain't playing much more than AA or KK.
Old 10-22-04, 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Wizdar
You guys seem to be of the opinion that people must play hands in order to be considered to be a good player. If they donít play, well they damn_well should be FORCED to play.

Thereís nothing in the rules says you have to put money in the pot, other than blinds and antes. If a player wants to sit out and risk being blinded off, Iím more than willing to alter my play to take advantage of that and steal a few blinds.

Likewise, if Iím headsup thereís nothing in the rules says I have to play every hand. It looks like thatís the way itís done on TV, but it ainít necessarily so.

Folding 15 hands in a row would not be unusual if the guyís not getting cards. Some of us have standards, ya know.
I understand what you are saying. However, to me sitting out is a ***** thing to do. Why not just hang around, and fold your cards, instead of letting the program muck your cards every time when time expires.

BTW, reread my other thread. I added something that I forgot last night.
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Originally posted by LurkerDan
I'm with Wizdar. It's annoying as hell if that guy is at your table, but if I am the big stack with 3 at the table, I ain't playing much more than AA or KK.
If you are big blind, and everyone else limps in, you fold your cards?
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Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
I understand what you are saying. However, to me sitting out is a ***** thing to do. Why not just hang around, and fold your cards, instead of letting the program muck your cards every time when time expires.
Oh, I misunderstood. Yes, I agree, that is lame. You should at least have the decency to stay and fold. I didn't realize that wasn't what you were complaining about. It's lame to auto-muck, and it is ESPECIALLY lame to do it by just waiting till time expires. Extremely slow players piss me off, and this would piss me off to no end.
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If you are big blind, and everyone else limps in, you fold your cards?
Yes, of course, wouldn't you?

Playing extremely tight doesn't mean playing stupid. of course I don't fold when all I have to do to see more cards is check.
Old 10-22-04, 01:43 PM
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Yeah. When I watched last night. The guy was sitting out. He'd still get dealt cards. Time would expire, and he'd muck them, even if he was BB. It was stupid.
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Re: Weak move that I'm seeing more and more of a trend....

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Chip leader has more than both the smaller stacks combined. He sits out, and lets them duke it out heads up. How ***** is that? That's the shit that pisses me off about online poker.
Geee, let the 2 small stacks duke it out and stay in the money. Why the hell would anyone do that? Oh yeah, cause it makes sense!!
Old 10-23-04, 01:27 AM
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Re: Re: Weak move that I'm seeing more and more of a trend....

Originally posted by J-Dubya
Geee, let the 2 small stacks duke it out and stay in the money. Why the hell would anyone do that? Oh yeah, cause it makes sense!!
Nothing like earning a reputation as a *****.

I would talk shit to said person if I was in that situation. He was in the money anway. There wasn't a huge difference between the places anyway, since it was a low buy in tourney.
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Originally posted by J-Dubya
Geee, let the 2 small stacks duke it out and stay in the money. Why the hell would anyone do that? Oh yeah, cause it makes sense!!
Yeah! That's a HELLUVA idea!!

DAMN! Why didn't I think of that? Oh, yeah, 'cause I'm worried about my reputation.

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Originally posted by Wizdar
Yeah! That's a HELLUVA idea!!

DAMN! Why didn't I think of that? Oh, yeah, 'cause I'm worried about my reputation.

No offense dude, but I'm kind of getting pissed off at your know it all attitude around here. I know you are an experience poker player and such, but there's no need to be acting like this.
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I honestly have not tried to piss you off and Iím not sure what ďacting like thisĒ means. All I know is you have some interesting ideas. Iím not the only one whoís disagreed with you, but I seem to be the one whoís getting under your skin.

If thereís a reason Iím not supposed to disagree with you, I didnít get the memo. It wonít happen again.
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Originally posted by Wizdar
I honestly have not tried to piss you off and Iím not sure what ďacting like thisĒ means. All I know is you have some interesting ideas. Iím not the only one whoís disagreed with you, but I seem to be the one whoís getting under your skin.

If thereís a reason Iím not supposed to disagree with you, I didnít get the memo. It wonít happen again.
Maybe I do have some "interesting ideas". But so what? Should I be made fun of and talked down because of them?

I guess the question should be, if you are in a tournament in real life, can you walk away from the table, which is akin to sitting out, while the play is still going on?
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If by making fun of you, you mean I was trying to put you down in a nasty way, I apologize if it sounded like that. It was never my intent. I donít do ďput downsĒ to make myself feel superior. Donít like it much when itís done to me, donít believe in doing it to others. I guess thatís not always clear.

I, too, have some ďinteresting ideas.Ē My first impression of PS thread comes immediately to mind. And if Iím wrong, I prefer to be corrected than ignored. Oh, I may whine about it, but thatís just me.

If I didn't give a shit, I wouldn't bother. There's a saying, "Don't tap the aquarium."

Yes, you can sit out a tourney as long as you please. Hellmuth is known for showing up late at events. The speculation is that he craves media attention and gets it this way. In the 2004 WSOP, somebody was asleep in their room while the event went on. The TD ended up calling him.

Two infractions can get you time away from the table: mucking your cards off the table and using the ďFĒ word, at the Bike, gets you 20 and 10 minutes, respectively.

Thereís a new rule (I donít know if itís still in place) that if you donít have your butt in your chair when the deal is complete, the dealer kills your hand.

Your blinds are taken. As the blinds/antes increase, this can get expensive. But thereís nothing that forces you to play or even be at the table.

At a casio tourney, you don't see people sitting out. Most players are afraid of missing a monster hand.

Personally, I think itís chickenshit for a player to build up a stack and then sit out. They may think theyíre being clever, I think it shows a lack of discipline. But you canít let that get to you. Tilt is a bad place to be.

The number of people playing online poker is potentially an order of magnitude over the number of casino players. Youíre gonna see some ďinteresting ideas.Ē Just adjust your game accordingly.
Old 10-23-04, 06:36 PM
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Exactly my point, though. People may be able to do it, but they don't. It's etiquette not to do so. Is it a rule? Nope, but it's frowned upon by doing so.
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Re: Re: Re: Weak move that I'm seeing more and more of a trend....

Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
Nothing like earning a reputation as a *****.

I would talk shit to said person if I was in that situation. He was in the money anway. There wasn't a huge difference between the places anyway, since it was a low buy in tourney.
Sorry, I can't read asterisks. If it's in a low buy-in tournament, why are you complaining about it? And if talking shit is your poker strategy, maybe gettting you worked up is theirs.
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This burns me too, only because you can luck out on a few monsters and sit thru to the money...that's BS. What needs tohappen is if you miss three or four straight deals (that is, the button passes you by that many times) then you get booted from the table.

I played in a freeroll at PokerStars over the summer. 650 players to start and 5.5 hours later it was down to the final 10. One guy at our table had been sitting out for over an HOUR. we all just folded the blinds and busted his ass OUT. He missed the final table and the free entry into the $$ tourney the next day.

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