Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > General Discussions > Other Talk
Reload this Page >

Bad Beats Thread

Other Talk "Otterville" plus Religion/Politics

Bad Beats Thread

Old 09-23-04, 12:47 PM
  #1  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: on the mountain
Posts: 7,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bad Beats Thread

Let's have an official bad beat thread so that this entire forum doesn't get filled with posts about Kings being cracked by 72 offsuit.
moorehed is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 12:54 PM
  #2  
Mod Emeritus
 
Gallant Pig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 15,325
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
is there such a thing as a bad beat if you are the big blind, check for free to see the flop and for example flop a set to beat somebody's pocket aces?
Gallant Pig is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 12:55 PM
  #3  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: on the mountain
Posts: 7,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
no... cause Aces should have raised u.
moorehed is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 01:05 PM
  #4  
DVD Talk Hero
 
El Scorcho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 39,628
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yeah, if you have rockets and you let someone see the flop for free, you deserve to get beat.
El Scorcho is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 04:50 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Duluth, GA, USA
Posts: 37,782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
But if you raise when you always have AA, then that's a tell as well. You have to raise your game and notice body language of the limper if you hold AAs and slow play them.
Patman is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 05:37 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: on the mountain
Posts: 7,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
patman, i dissagree. at least in low stakes holdem... maybe if you are playing 10/20 or something that type of thing would pay off, but with the level of play in low limit i think raising with your aces to get maximum value for your hand pays off more in almost all situations than trying to slowplay... most of the players play poorly enough that they will coldcall with anything they would just call with anyways...
moorehed is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 06:22 PM
  #7  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Charlie Goose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Sesame Street (the apt. next to Bob's)
Posts: 20,199
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I could fill this forum with my bad beats, but this one wasn't mine, but my opponent's.

I was in AC playing Hold 'Em, which is a game I very rarely play in a casino. I had a Ks6d, and had a free flop because I was in the BB. The flop was K-K-K. Trying not to cry with joy, I bet and was raised by the one guy that stayed in. Turn was a 3, and river was a 10, suits unimportant. This joker kept raising, and I kept going over the top back to him. Poor guy had pocket Aces. I honestly thought he was going to shit, cry, pass out, or all three.
Charlie Goose is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 06:44 PM
  #8  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Duluth, GA, USA
Posts: 37,782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ah, I try to only play "No Limit", I hate the limit holdem games. People chase cards to the river that have no business chasing them, but the limits make it a viable option for them.
Patman is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 07:21 PM
  #9  
Mod Emeritus
 
Gallant Pig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 15,325
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The worst beat I've ever seen is a straight flush beating a nut flush.
Gallant Pig is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 07:42 PM
  #10  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: on the mountain
Posts: 7,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i prefer limit because when people chase i get payed off. and my swings are smaller and easier to take...
moorehed is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 08:34 PM
  #11  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: FL.
Posts: 1,476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
The worst beat I've ever seen is a straight flush beating a nut flush.
If my understanding is right, the Nuts would be the absolute best hand. Thus if a straight flush was possible, it would be the Nut, even if the other flush was Ace high.

Regardless, it still could be a very tough beat.
Spy021 is offline  
Old 09-23-04, 08:45 PM
  #12  
Mod Emeritus
 
Gallant Pig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 15,325
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Spy021
If my understanding is right, the Nuts would be the absolute best hand. Thus if a straight flush was possible, it would be the Nut, even if the other flush was Ace high.

Regardless, it still could be a very tough beat.
Yeap that's what I meant, ace high getting taken down by straight.
Gallant Pig is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 04:00 AM
  #13  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Firstly, about AA...
Without even talking odds or positioning, the main reasons for always raising pre-flop with AA is to get control of the hands in play....

A raise, irregardless of game (NL v. L) will flush out the unknown hands in most cases, leaving you up against stuff like...

22 through KK
AK, KQ, KJ, K10, QJ, etc.,

Basically the hands that people will play to a raise pre-flop...

This allows you to keep control of the game with flops like

822

Which normally could be dangerous to an unraised pot...someone could easily have a 2...but if you've raised it, conceivably the only hand with a 2 in it should be 22...with very small odds...(If someone's playing A2, 23, K2, etc., to a Raise, you should be taking their money anyway. )

and similarly, can allow you to act cautiously to flops like...

9 J Q

etc.,

That's my view anyway...

BAD BEAT STORY

9h, 9d, 7d, 6d, Xx

Player 1 had Ad, Xd for Ace High Flush
Player 2 had 6x, 6x for Full House
Player 3 had 9c, 9s for 4 of A Kind
Player 4 had 8d, 10d for Straight Flush

Something like that anyway (not sure what the flop was...) and the best part is it was turned over at showdown, in that order, at the casino, which was awesome...

KR
Peat is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 12:12 PM
  #14  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: on the mountain
Posts: 7,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
good post peat.
moorehed is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 01:05 PM
  #15  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Space Junk Galaxy
Posts: 2,471
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm in the BB with 10-7 offsuit. Everyone limps in so I see a free flop.

Flop: 10-Q-10

Wee...I flop a set of tens. First person checks. I decide to slow play so I also check. But then the rest of table checks as well.

Turn: 7
Board: 10-Q-10-7

Yes, now I have a full boat so I bet small, everyone folds except one guy who calls.

River: 7
Board: 10-Q-10-7-7

I go all in with my full house, the guy calls and turns over a bigger full house with his pocket Queens.
CreatureX is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 03:27 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Charlie Goose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Sesame Street (the apt. next to Bob's)
Posts: 20,199
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Peat
Player 1 had Ad, Xd for Ace High Flush
Player 2 had 6x, 6x for Full House
Player 3 had 9c, 9s for 4 of A Kind
Player 4 had 8d, 10d for Straight Flush
That's like something you see in the movies!
Those showdowns always seem to be 3 or 4 monster hands in competition. Player 1 would be me, an Ace High Flush to finish 4th. I'M CHANGING MY USERNAME TO CHARLIE MUSH.
Charlie Goose is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 03:31 PM
  #17  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 75,098
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts


Just had a bad one at a sit 'n go.

Had A 8 spades, and went all in.

Guy called w/ Q/10 os.

He hits Q's on the flop. I hit the ace on the turn. He gets another Q on the river.
Deftones is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 03:44 PM
  #18  
DVD Talk Hero
 
das Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 35,881
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not the worst beat in the world, but I was in a NL tournament last night, heads up in the final two, near equal stacks. Got KK in the SB and just called, because I know he always raises heads up. He raised, pretty big, in fact. I came over the top all in hoping he had something. He called and showed 33. It's the Bad Beat thread, so I guess I don't need to say any more.

das
das Monkey is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 03:49 PM
  #19  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 75,098
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally posted by das Monkey
Not the worst beat in the world, but I was in a NL tournament last night, heads up in the final two, near equal stacks. Got KK in the SB and just called, because I know he always raises heads up. He raised, pretty big, in fact. I came over the top all in hoping he had something. He called and showed 33. It's the Bad Beat thread, so I guess I don't need to say any more.

ouchie. that's gotta hurt.
Deftones is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 06:32 PM
  #20  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 75,098
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
jesus christ

I have: As 6 c

Flop comes K 6 8 all spades. I stay in for cheap. Hit the nut flush w/ another spade on the turn. I go all in. Guy calls me. Turns over K6. Hits another King on the river. I don't go out because I took a side pot, but I am crippled from about $1500 to about $550.

Then, on the next hand I go all in w/ pocket 8's w/ like $550. Three guys call me. I'm beat w/ KK, there's a QA and another hand like K10. Flop gets me trip 8's, I win one side pot for my all in, but KK wins the bulk of money, but I quadruple up to about $2100.

Deftones is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 07:41 PM
  #21  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: wishing I was in Vegas
Posts: 6,646
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Would anyone care to define a bad beat?

That should cover at least two pages.
Wizdar is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 07:53 PM
  #22  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 75,098
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally posted by Wizdar
Would anyone care to define a bad beat?

That should cover at least two pages.
I'd say any hand where you are clearly in a dominant position, and get raped on the river is a bad beat.
Deftones is offline  
Old 09-24-04, 09:36 PM
  #23  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: wishing I was in Vegas
Posts: 6,646
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So, if you get raped on the turn, it's not a bad beat?
Wizdar is offline  
Old 09-25-04, 01:18 AM
  #24  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 75,098
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally posted by Wizdar
So, if you get raped on the turn, it's not a bad beat?
Could be. I guess it's just perception. You know, the river being the last card.
Deftones is offline  
Old 09-25-04, 02:42 AM
  #25  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 6,341
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Yeap that's what I meant, ace high getting taken down by straight.
Just recently, I was at a table where I saw a flush Ace high get beat by a straight flush on the river. That was a big ouch.

But the craziest one was this:

Person A: pocket 4s
Person B: pocket 5s

Flop comes 5 4 4

Person A flopped a 4 of a kind, person B flopped a full house. I forgot exactly how the betting went, but they each slow played a little.
The turn was insignificant, and then the river was another 5 !!! Person B went all in, and A called.

Guess you knew the result.

The damnest craziest hand I ever saw, that one. Low stakes though; just with a group of friends.
Autotelik is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.