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Old 09-17-04, 09:55 AM
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How about "Stupid People and Other Stupid People Acting Stupidly Stupid"

Back in 1996, I went to a Dole/Kemp rally here in Atlanta, and they were giving out campaign stickers with Dole on the first line and Kemp on the second. I rebuilt my sticker with Kemp above Dole, mainly because I'd been standing in line forever and was bored. Holy shit, the line nazis got pissed off about it. For a while, I thought I may have to have to fight 4 60 year old quilt makers to get out of there alive. Never underestimate the power of the mob mentality and collective instanity.

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Originally posted by das Monkey
How about "Stupid People and Other Stupid People Acting Stupidly Stupid"

Back in 1996, I went to a Dole/Kemp rally here in Atlanta, and they were giving out campaign stickers with Dole on the first line and Kemp on the second. I rebuilt my sticker with Kemp above Dole, mainly because I'd been standing in line forever and was bored. Holy shit, the line nazis got pissed off about it. For a while, I thought I may have to have to fight 4 60 year old quilt makers to get out of there alive. Never underestimate the power of the mob mentality and collective instanity.

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Did you ask them, "Hey, what's with the passion? This is a Bob Dole rally."
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So at a Kerry/Edwards event they just rip up the sign...

At Bush rallies, protestors get handcuffed, dragged away, and arrested..

Look how much her dad cares, he's not even comforting her. So she got a dose of the real world now. It's unfortunate that her father dragged her into the political venue in the first place. She's way too young to even be invovled, leave the kids at home. They should be out playing and being kids...
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"They just pounced on us," said Phil Parlock, who took his 11-year-old son, Alex, and 3-year-old daughter, Sophia, to the Democratic rally at Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va.....
"She was crying; they were pushing and shoving her," said Mr. Parlock, a Huntington real estate agent. "She was scared." ...
Immediately, he said, the family was set upon by supporters of Mr. Edwards and Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry "mostly the painters union guys" who "started stealing my signs." Soon, "old women and college students joined in the fracas,"

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...0155-8041r.htm


That does sound like an attack. Of course, as the attack-ee and attack-ee's father, he's a little biased. But still, any scumbag who would yank ANYTHING [not dangerous] out of a 3-year old kid's hands is just that.
And after all,
"Wont somebody think about the children?!?"
They've just seen that if you dare to express an opposing opinion quietly, you get assaulted and your stuff stolen and destroyed. From the alleged party of tolerance and free speech.

That stupid frat boy union guy on the left just looks like an arse.
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It takes a village to assault a child.
Old 09-17-04, 10:06 AM
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Re: Kerry Supporters Attack Kids!!!!!

It's missing the captions from Cap Guy:


"Whoa dude, we just owned you and your kid, man. Ha, ha. Your sign sucked, anyway. Get over it, losers!"


"Hey everyone, look at the two sad little babies! Dude, it's totally funny how we just served you and your stupid kid. I don't even care about the presidential dude that's talking over there, because this is way more entertaining."
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Makes me wonder if the dude with the hat did the tearing of the signs with the expression of joy on his face.

While I agree that the Father should not have gotten the kids involved, it's still a sad expression of society when something like this happens.
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Sorry, but I think that the whole thing was staged.
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(edit) Obviously, the girl's reaction was genuine, and the boy's was too. But I think that the Dad and the "dude" with the cap (and a few others) staged the incident.

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Originally posted by Timmio
So at a Kerry/Edwards event they just rip up the sign...

At Bush rallies, protestors get handcuffed, dragged away, and arrested..

Look how much her dad cares, he's not even comforting her. So she got a dose of the real world now. It's unfortunate that her father dragged her into the political venue in the first place. She's way too young to even be invovled, leave the kids at home. They should be out playing and being kids...
What are you talking about?! The fact that these people are Kerry supporters should not matter - it is what they did.

You want to question how much the dad cares about his kids? What the hell is wrong with you? It looks to me like he is doing his best to try to remain calm and not let the situation get out of control.

And to try to put some blame on the dad from bringing his kids is asinine. There is no reason he should not be able to bring his kids. It is a public event. Are you trying to say that Kerry rallies are more dangerous then other public events?

The only ones to blame are the idiots who would act like this to a child.
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Much ado about nothing. Try wearing a Che Guevara shirt in downtown Miami.
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As a father I would not take my young children to any rally for a cause where I was going to be a lone entity of non-support.



*At least not without all of my buddies hanging around*
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Originally posted by Minor Threat
As a father I would not take my young children to any rally for a cause where I was going to be a lone entity of non-support.



*At least not without all of my buddies hanging around*
I agree. That is one of the many things about the incident that don't make sense.

Why take the kids to the opposition's rally?
Why go to the rally in the first place?! (Is anyone really going to look at his sign and think "oh, maybe I should find out more about these Bush/Cheney guys"? )
If he wants to go, why take a sign?
when the signed was ripped up, why didn't he take his daughter off his shoulders and comfort her?
Why does he appear to simply keep that dumb sad face on? For the cameras perhaps?
Why is the "dude" laughing at the crying girl?

It really doesn't make sense.
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!!!!!!IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!



No, actually - some people are just dumb.....
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Originally posted by Red Dog
This whole campaign and race reminds me of the Looney Toons short where Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam are running for mayor.
I'd kill for a candidate as smart as Bugs Bunny. Hell, at this point, I'd kill for a candidate as smart as Yosemite Sam.
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Originally posted by cpgator
And to try to put some blame on the dad from bringing his kids is asinine. There is no reason he should not be able to bring his kids. It is a public event. Are you trying to say that Kerry rallies are more dangerous then other public events?
No, expecting the real world to be the same as a civics classroom is asinine.

No one is arguing that they shouldn't have been able to safely display their sign. But in the real world, when you place yourself in the middle of a passionate group of people and you express opposition to them, there is the very real potential for confrontation. Just like a Kerry supporter would get at a Bush rally, just like a Yankee fan would get at a Red Sox home game, just like someone dressed like Jar-Jar would get at a Star Wars convention.

Is that a good thing? No, it's a horrible thing; but it's also a fact of human nature. Mob mentality exists, and it's ugly. If the father wants to deal with it, that's fine. But don't subject a little girl to it.

This isn't a one side is right / one side is wrong game. The people that ripped the sign out of their hands are scum; the father is either an imbecile or an incredible ass.
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Looks like the hat guy has some of the ripped up sign in his hands in the first pic.
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Some of the posts in this thread remind me of Al Gore saying what Bill Clinton did was indefensible and then defending it anyways.
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I can't say I'm thrill about the liberal moderator's attempt to sanitize the thread title. The original subject header was much more accurate, IMO.
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Originally posted by Jack's Smirking
No, expecting the real world to be the same as a civics classroom is asinine.

No one is arguing that they shouldn't have been able to safely display their sign. But in the real world, when you place yourself in the middle of a passionate group of people and you express opposition to them, there is the very real potential for confrontation. Just like a Kerry supporter would get at a Bush rally, just like a Yankee fan would get at a Red Sox home game, just like someone dressed like Jar-Jar would get at a Star Wars convention.

Is that a good thing? No, it's a horrible thing; but it's also a fact of human nature. Mob mentality exists, and it's ugly. If the father wants to deal with it, that's fine. But don't subject a little girl to it.

This isn't a one side is right / one side is wrong game. The people that ripped the sign out of their hands are scum; the father is either an imbecile or an incredible ass.
So if I take my 9 yr old to a game, and someone throws their beer on him because they don't like his shirt - I am some how to blame for bringing him to the game and putting him in that situation? That line of thinking is the same as those who assign blame to rape victims for what they were wearing.
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He claims something similar happened to him in 2000 also. Nice coincidence.

Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
October 28, 2000, Saturday
SECTION: News; Pg. P1A
LENGTH: 861 words
HEADLINE: Signs for Bush taken at rally, father, son say
BYLINE: SAM TRANUM

Phil Parlock didn't expect to need all 12 of the Bush-Cheney signs he and his son Louis smuggled in their socks and pockets into the rally for Vice President Al Gore.

But each time they raised a sign, someone would grab it out of their hands, the two Huntington residents said. And sometimes it got physical.

"I expected some people to take our signs," said Louis, 12. "But I did not expect people to practically attack us."

The two said they didn't go to the Friday morning rally to start trouble.

"I came to support Bush and try to change some people's minds," Louis said.

Gore's West Virginia campaign said Bush-Cheney signs were not welcome, but physical confrontations to eliminate them would not have been condoned.

Parlock, a real estate agent, thought it would be at least as educational for his son to spend the morning at the Gore rally as it would have been to spend the day at school. So the two got in the car and drove from Huntington, arriving in Charleston about 9 a.m.

Parlock said he was a volunteer for the Bush-Cheney campaign. He is listed on the West Virginia Bush-Cheney Web site as the Cabell County contact for the campaign.

But he said he came as a supporter, not a campaign worker. His visit to Charleston was "unencouraged and unsanctioned," he said. The idea was to show that there was another option besides Gore.

"My opinion of the press is it always shows the liberal viewpoint," he said. "And we have to struggle to show the other side exists."

He and Louis brought a supply of Bush-Cheney signs and smuggled them into the rally. They stuffed plastic ones in their socks and pockets and folded paper ones inside Gore-Lieberman signs.

Though tickets to the event specifically said no signs would be allowed in, Parlock said he walked right in with the Gore-Lieberman signs. He said people who carried Bush-Cheney signs openly were not allowed to bring them inside.

Parlock and his son, clad in white button-down shirts and ties, took their place in front of the Capitol steps and waited. As the rally got going, they started raising their signs and people immediately began stealing them, Parlock said.

"Three guys came up and squeezed me in and one grabbed my arms and pulled them down and another took the sign," Parlock said.

"Another guy came up and tried to grab the sign but I had a good hold of it and he stumbled and bumped into other people and started a ruckus," he said. Parlock said the police ejected the man from the rally.

Police said Friday evening they could not yet comment on any incidents at the rally.

Parlock said a group of people wearing T-shirts and jackets with the United Mine Workers of America logo took away many of their signs.

"I didn't see anything like that," said Ted Hapney, an international representative for the United Mine Workers. "I wouldn't do that. We don't condone any type of violence."

Another incident involved Louis and a teenage girl he and Parlock said they met at the rally. They said they didn't know who she was.

"She walked up and said 'I'll get on your shoulders and hold a sign,' " Louis said.

While she was sitting on Louis' shoulders waving a Bush-Cheney sign, a man who identified himself as a volunteer for the Gore campaign tried to pull the sign out of the girl's hands, Parlock said. He pulled so hard that Louis and the girl fell over.

"That sounds like an exaggeration," said Sarah Feinberg, spokeswoman for Gore's West Virginia campaign.

Parlock said the man was wearing a yellow pass around his neck. Feinberg said the color for a volunteer pass would be orange, while yellow passes were given to members of the press.

"We certainly don't have a policy of ripping signs out of people's hands," said Feinberg. "If someone brings a Bush-Cheney sign, we don't like it but we don't go to great lengths to obscure."

Parlock said after all his signs were stolen, he got some more from a group of Bush supporters who had not been allowed into the rally.

Though police said they were not ready to make official comment Friday evening, earlier Friday an officer said he had seen a scuffle during the rally.

Charleston Police Patrolman R.H. Vinyard said the incident involved people with Bush-Cheney signs, though he could not identify them by name. He said Gore supporters got into a fight with the Bush supporters about 10 minutes before the end of Gore's speech.

He said the altercation lasted about 45 seconds, was over before the police arrived to break it up and no one was treated for injuries. Afterward, he said, the Bush supporters tore up their own signs and left the area.

As workers cleaned up the debris from the rally in front of the Capitol after the rally, Parlock sat next to a pile of ripped up Bush-Cheney signs he had collected. He said he thought the people who took his signs went too far.

Still, he said he'd do it again.

And he thinks it was a good educational experience for Louis, too.

"You can't get this kind of a lesson in school," he said.

Writer Sam Tranum can be reached at 348-4872 or by e-mail at [email protected] .
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And in 1996. Draw your own conclusions.

Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
August 27, 1996, Tuesday
SECTION: News; Pg. P3C
LENGTH: 342 words
HEADLINE: DOLE SUPPORTERS FIND IT ROUGH AT CLINTON RALLY
BYLINE: The Associated Press

HUNTINGTON - Some Clinton protestors say the president's supporters
shouted them down and kept their signs from being seen as the
president kicked off his re-election campaign.
Others said they had no problem getting through the gates with signs
promoting Bob Dole's Republican candidacy.
Clint Gillespie and Robert Painter of Huntington managed to obtain
tickets to the priority viewing area outside the old Chesapeake & Ohio
passenger station in Huntington for a Clinton-Gore campaign rally on
Sunday.
Armed with the tickets, they marched through the gate with Dole-Kemp
placards tucked under their arms.
They obtained their tickets by promising those at Democratic
headquarters they would be waving signs during the president's visit,
but they did not reveal their signs would be in support of Dole.
"Clinton thinks he can just come here to Huntington and get a crowd,
but we're here to show not all West Virginians share Clinton's
values," said Gillespie, a senior at Marshall University.
"We always try to give them a warm Republican welcome," said Painter,
a recent graduate of Marshall University.
Phil Parlock's experience was less calm.
The Huntington man said he was knocked to the ground by a Clinton
supporter when he tried to display a sign that read "Remember Vince
Foster," the deputy White House counsel who committed suicide in a
Washington, D.C., park. His death has become the subject of much
debate among Clinton opponents.
"It must have been a strict Democrat who did this," Parlock said,
feeling the red abrasions on his face. "Everyone with the exception of
him was real peaceful about our protest."
Parlock said some of the crowd tried to make other anti-Clinton
demonstrators feel unwelcome. He estimated that about 150 Dole
supporters attended the rally, but their signs couldn't be seen for
most of the rally.
"I came to show that not everyone from Huntington is going to vote for
Clinton," Parlock said.
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Originally posted by cpgator
So if I take my 9 yr old to a game, and someone throws their beer on him because they don't like his shirt - I am some how to blame for bringing him to the game and putting him in that situation? That line of thinking is the same as those who assign blame to rape victims for what they were wearing.
Perhaps we just have different concerns. Personally, my main goal would be to protect my 9 year old (if I had one); as such, I wouldn't bring her to a Bucs' game wearing a Packers' jersey. I'm aware that I have the legal right to do it. However, being able to claim the moral upper-hand after she is assaulted/yelled at/made uncomfortable by a mob doesn't really provide me any comfort. In addition to blaming the individuals that committed the acts, I would blame myself for intentionally putting her in increased harm's way.
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Originally posted by Groucho
I can't say I'm thrill about the liberal moderator's attempt to sanitize the thread title. The original subject header was much more accurate, IMO.
An even more accurate subject header would have been "Kerry supporters attack and molest kids FOR THEIR OWN PLEASURE!!!!11!!"
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Bottom line: dad shouldn't have put his kids in that position; crowd shouldn't have ripped up the signs. End of story.

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