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OldDude 09-06-04 07:28 PM

'Native Americans' were "Second Americans?'
Interesting. This will be so controversial it might have been better to wait for final DNA results.

First Americans may have come from Australia: study

Anthropologists stepped into a hornet's nest, revealing research that suggests the original inhabitants of America may in fact have come from Australia.

The claim will be extremely unwelcome to today's native Americans who came overland from Siberia and say they were there first.

But Silvia Gonzalez from John Moores University in Liverpool said skeletal evidence pointed strongly to this unpalatable truth and hinted that recovered DNA would corroborate it.

"This is very contentious," Ms Gonzalez, a Mexican, said at the annual meeting of the British association for the Advancement of Science (BA). "They (native Americans) can not claim to have been the first people there."

She said there was very strong evidence that the first migration came from Australia via Japan and Polynesia and down the Pacific Coast of America.

Skulls of a people with distinctively long and narrow heads discovered in Mexico and California predated by several thousand years the more rounded features of the skulls of native Americans.

One particularly well preserved skull of a long-face woman had been carbon dated to 12,700 years ago, whereas the oldest accurately dated native American skull was only about 9,000-years-old.

"We have extracted her DNA. It is going to be a bomb," she said, declining to give details but adding that the tests carried out so far were being replicated to make sure they were accurate.

She said there were tales from Spanish missionaries of an isolated coastal community of long-face people in Baja California, of a completely different race and rituals from other communities in America at the time.

These last survivors were wiped out by diseases imported by the Spanish conquerors, Ms Gonzalez said.

The research is one of 11 different projects in America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East being funded over a four-year period by Britain's Natural Environment Research Council.

The projects, focusing on diet, dating and dispersal of people down the millennia in the face of climate change, aim to rewrite anthropology.

"We want to make headlines from heads," said Professor Clive Gamble of Southampton university. "DNA will give us a completely new map of the world and how we peopled it."

X 09-06-04 07:31 PM

Great. Now we'll get a bunch of Aussie casinos all over the place.

Debaser 09-06-04 07:33 PM


Tsar Chasm 09-06-04 07:46 PM

What about the Nephites and Lamanites?

Don't tell me the Mormon Church was misleading me. :mad:

Shazam 09-06-04 07:55 PM

Aliens! It's aliens!

OldDude 09-06-04 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Tsar Chasm
What about the Nephites and Lamanites?

Don't tell me the Mormon Church was misleading me. :mad:

No clue, I strongly prefer DNA evidence to the Book of Mormon (or the Bible, for that matter).

icondude 09-07-04 09:04 AM

I thought that the first Americans were Europeans, as evidenced by all the really old remains suggest. The most notable is the Capitan Picard look alike found in Washington State.

Geofferson 09-07-04 10:00 AM

John Stossel had a segment about something similar to this not too long ago. Quite a controversial topic for sure.

RoyalTea 09-07-04 10:02 AM

how can they be sure that they came from Australia to America, and not the other way around?

al_bundy 09-07-04 11:37 AM

i can believe this. In NYC there are a ton of people from Mexico and latin america that aren't europeans. They look a lot different than the indians of northern america.

FuzzyBallz 09-07-04 11:40 AM

From Australia? How did they do it? Walk on water?

Debaser 09-07-04 11:44 AM

Crocodiles man

Th0r S1mpson 09-07-04 11:47 AM

Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
From Australia? How did they do it? Walk on water?
Australia and Wisconsin used to be connected. -rolleyes-

HistoryProf 09-07-04 01:10 PM

I don't really understand how this undermine's American Indian heritage myself, and this isn't exactly new. It's long been known that the closest non-American relatives to Indians are the indigenous Ainu of Japan, who probably came from polynesia and the south Pacific. There are also ruins in South America far older than any siberian emigrant streams can account for. There were multiple immigrations, resulting in various DNA lines. There is no one pat answer.....

That said, what difference does it really make? Indians had spread across this continent thousands of years before Europeans arrived....where they had come from before that is really irrelevent to present political and economic debates.

It's all very very interesting though. As for how they got here, the primary theory is boat. and probably by accident. crazy eh?

You can see that the Ainu bear as much of a resemblence to Australian Aborigines as they do modern Japanese:



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