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Old 08-20-04, 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Numanoid
Does bush have anything to run on this year other than negatively attacking John Kerry? Judging by his website, he sure doesn't: http://www.georgebush.com/

Contrast with http://www.johnkerry.com whose only reference to Bush is that he has nothing to run on except negatively attacking on Kerry.
We'll find out if he needed to on November 3. Or by December anyway.

If this election were about issues Kerry would be talking about his record over the last 20 years.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:03 PM
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You forgot to link to Kerry's attack arm: http://www.moveon.org/front/
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As far as I have been able to tell nobody verifies that he was ever in Cambodia. Even the vets who are on his side.

However having the memory of being in Cambodia on Christmas and being shot at by reveling soldiers on what should have been a period of cease-fire seared into you and then finding it was only half-baked at best is pretty bad.
Hmmm, I thought I read somewhere that it had been verified, but I can't remember where now. I'll go looking to see if I can find it again.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by bcbaum
Hmmm, I thought I read somewhere that it had been verified, but I can't remember where now. I'll go looking to see if I can find it again.
The best I've ever heard was somebody say the borders where hard to determine and which country you were in could be in doubt. Kerry didn't seem to have that doubt.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Numanoid
Does bush have anything to run on this year other than negatively attacking John Kerry? Judging by his website, he sure doesn't: http://www.georgebush.com/

Contrast with http://www.johnkerry.com whose only reference to Bush is that he has nothing to run on except negatively attacking on Kerry.
19 years in the Senate - how much do we hear about that record?

Or do you believe that doesn't count?
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Old 08-20-04, 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Numanoid
Does bush have anything to run on this year other than negatively attacking John Kerry? Judging by his website, he sure doesn't: http://www.georgebush.com/

Contrast with http://www.johnkerry.com whose only reference to Bush is that he has nothing to run on except negatively attacking on Kerry.
Actually, Kerry's official site is very negative against Bush.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by wmansir
You forgot to link to Kerry's attack arm:
With kung fu grip?
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Old 08-20-04, 12:09 PM
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The other swift boat captains (I believe there are 11), at least 2 members of Kerry's own crew, and available mission records don't support Kerry's claim that he was in Cambodia.

As I've said on a number of occasions - it really doesn't matter, IMO.

Both Kerry & Bush should be talking about the real issues, and not what might have happened over 30 years ago.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by bcbaum
Chew, just wanted to let you know, it's been good kicking this back and forth with you. Often, these kinds of discussions get nasty and personal both ways very quickly, which is a big reason I tend to lurk.
Same here. You've been very evenhanded and it would be a shame to have you continue lurking.
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74 days to go.
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Old 08-20-04, 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by bcbaum
I thought the evidence revealed that Kerry was in Cambodia, but not during Christmas 1968, but Jan 1969?
Be that as it may, he testified it was Xmas Eve, 1968 (it is seared in his brain, how could he be mistaken?). We can debate what Xmas Eve is (I think it is midafternoon to midnight on Dec. 24) but I think we all agree it is not in January.
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Originally posted by Chew
Same here. You've been very evenhanded and it would be a shame to have you continue lurking.
I try, but it's not easy. I'll be honest, I'm supporting Kerry in the upcoming election. Big shock, I know. It seems like there is plenty of heated discussion back and forth around here that it didn't need me adding to it, but this issue just really struck a nerve with me for some reason. Hence the non-lurking.
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Originally posted by OldDude
Be that as it may, he testified it was Xmas Eve, 1968 (it is seared in his brain, how could he be mistaken?). We can debate what Xmas Eve is (I think it is midafternoon to midnight on Dec. 24) but I think we all agree it is not in January.
I posted this in an earlier response, but I'll do it again here. It seems like there are only 3 possible explanations - honest mistake/faulty memory, war story embellishment (Xmas made the account sound even better), flat-out lying. What do you think?
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Edit: My post above was a little redundant. I hadn't hit refresh in a while, and didn't see the other posts.

I think we have three pointless threads totally nine pages (today) on Kerry's service and have had many more on Bush's National Guard service, moveon, and F911 recently.

It would be better if both sides concentrated on issues, but frankly Kerry & Co started the service mud-throwing, and I think what goes around, comes around. I think we have about 10.5 more weeks to this election, and the feces-throwing monkey-like behavior will continue.

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I think I've set my own personal record for most posts in one day. I may need to lie down.
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Originally posted by bcbaum
I think I've set my own personal record for most posts in one day. I may need to lie down.
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Originally posted by Chew
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Old 08-20-04, 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Red Dog
74 days to go.
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You're pretty anxious to win that bet! What are you going to buy with your winnings?
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We'll find out if he needed to on November 3. Or by December anyway.

If this election were about issues Kerry would be talking about his record over the last 20 years.



He has one?

Wonder why he failed to mention it during his big party in Boston?
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You're pretty anxious to win that bet! What are you going to buy with your winnings?
to Red Dog for dropping those extra pounds.
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to Red Dog for dropping those extra pounds.
Don't you know you don't collect when you win those types of bets?
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You're pretty anxious to win that bet! What are you going to buy with your winnings?

I'm more anxious for this ridiculous campaign to be over whomever wins.
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Don't you know you don't collect when you win those types of bets?
Shh. You want him to get depressed and eat a whole cheesecake?
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Shh. You want him to get depressed and eat a whole cheesecake?
Mmmmm, cheesecake. (we need a homer smilie)
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74 days to go.
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You forgot your usual: "GO BUSH!"
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