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Old 08-04-04, 12:58 AM
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Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040804_1.html

Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban; Vote Seen As Bellwether for Upcoming Battles

The Associated Press



JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. Aug. 4, 2004 Missouri voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment Tuesday to ban gay marriage, the first such vote since the historic ruling in Massachusetts last year that legalized same-sex weddings there.
Although the ban was widely expected to pass in conservative Missouri, experts said the campaign served as a key barometer for which strategies work as the gay marriage battle spreads to ballot boxes around the nation. At least nine other states, and perhaps as many as 12, will vote on similar amendments this year.


The amendment had garnered 74 percent of the vote with 42 percent of precincts reporting.

Missouri and 37 other states already have laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. But amendment supporters fear a court could toss aside the state law, and they believe the state would be on firmer legal ground if an outright ban is part of the Constitution.

"I'm very gratified and encouraged and thankful that the people of this state understand our current policy's a wise public policy and they want to see it protected from a legal challenge," said Vicky Hartzler, a spokeswoman for the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri.

Opponents said the amendment was unnecessary and discriminatory, but knew they faced an uphill battle in Missouri.

"We're already reaching out to these other states, sharing with them what we learned, what worked, what didn't work, and we'll move on," said Doug Gray, campaign manager for the Constitution Defense League. "Ultimately we're right and they're simply wrong."

Louisiana residents are to vote on a marriage amendment Sept. 18. Then Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah are to vote on the issue Nov. 2. Initiatives are pending in Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio.

Four states already have similar amendments

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Updated numbers with 91% reporting show 70%-30% in favor of a ban.

This was brutal. Much of the talk this week in KC was about passing our new Arena project, so the statewide issue of Gay marriage was not really on the radar and I never saw any advance polling data about which way voters were leaning, but this was a shock. I thought it would fail, it would be close, but fail.

What's also interesting is that Democrats fought to get this on the ballot today instead of Nov., in the hopes that a low turnout would favor a rejection of this amendment.
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Re: Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban

Originally posted by Nazgul What's also interesting is that Democrats fought to get this on the ballot today instead of Nov., in the hopes that a low turnout would favor a rejection of this amendment. [/B]
Worst strategy ever!
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Worst strategy ever!
No kidding, and I don't buy that for a minute. They just didn't want it in Nov, so it wouldn't effect the presedential election. The local dems probably didn't give a rat's ass if it passed or not.

I'm not suprised at the outcome, though. You can't very well expect people not to suck.

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Congratulations. Your state is now safe from the gay.
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Can't say I'm surprised of the outcome. November voting should be interesting considering the handfull of states that will have it on their ballots.
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I'm from Missouri, but live a few blocks over the state line in Kansas now. I'm very, very disappointed in MO, but I can't say I'm surprised.
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Re: Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban

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But amendment supporters fear a court could toss aside the state law, and they believe the state would be on firmer legal ground if an outright ban is part of the Constitution.
Umm... if SCOTUS or a federal court ruled such that they could force the state to accept it, they'd likely do so based on the full faith and credit clause, which would trump anything the state passed, be it law or amendment or whatever. So I fail to see how they're on any firmer legal ground here.
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I thought I heard on the news this morning that only about 39% of registered voters in Missouri even voted. Or maybe that was St. Louis County.

Anyhow, here is the article from StLToday.com
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Re: Re: Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban

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Umm... if SCOTUS or a federal court ruled such that they could force the state to accept it, they'd likely do so based on the full faith and credit clause, which would trump anything the state passed, be it law or amendment or whatever. So I fail to see how they're on any firmer legal ground here.

The MA court struck down the same-sex marriage ban based on equal protection under the MA Constitution. This is why you see MA trying to amend their Constitution - it would, in effect, overrule the state court decision. Putting the ban in a state constitution takes the issue out of the hands of a state court, so it does put it on somewhat firmer ground.

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No kidding, and I don't buy that for a minute. They just didn't want it in Nov, so it wouldn't effect the presedential election. The local dems probably didn't give a rat's ass if it passed or not.

I'm not suprised at the outcome, though. You can't very well expect people not to suck.
Agreed. The Dems think it would increase Repub turn-out. Whether their thinking is right or wrong, that's their real reason.
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1. Remind me not to go to Mizzou. (Not that I ever would have). I'm boycotting Missouri just like O'Reilly is boycotting France.

2. Isn't it fascinating that the states can decide this? Why do we need an Amendment again?
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I drove through Missouri once. On the way back, I drove through Nebraska. Don't get me started about Omaha.
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Looks like one state is going to be a bit more empty when the Rapture comes.
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Originally posted by CRM114
2. Isn't it fascinating that the states can decide this? Why do we need an Amendment again?
You're against states deciding, but are all for states' judges deciding?
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Originally posted by Geofferson
You're against states deciding, but are all for states' judges deciding?
Who said I was against states deciding? Didn't I just state that?
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Doubtful that it will stand. It will make for a lot more angry people when it's overturned though, now that it's been voted in.

Much like the marriages in SFO would make for more angry people if they were later revoked, since these people had taken that next official step, although those ones weren't voted on I guess.
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Originally posted by CRM114
1. Remind me not to go to Mizzou. (Not that I ever would have). I'm boycotting Missouri just like O'Reilly is boycotting France.
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There's St. Louis, Kansas City, Columbia and then there is the State of Missouri.
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Originally posted by B.A.



There's St. Louis, Kansas City, Columbia and then there is the State of Missouri.


Don't tell me.

Geography major. Right?
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Originally posted by digitalfreaknyc


Don't tell me.

Geography major. Right?
No, I just happen to live across the river from St. Louis and I know for a fact that it isn't like the rest of the state.

But I did take a geography class in college.
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Originally posted by B.A.
No, I just happen to live across the river from St. Louis and I know for a fact that it isn't like the rest of the state.
Ahh... East St. Louis. Where I used to get all my porn from.
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There is a God in Heaven, and he's smiling down on the people of Missouri!

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Originally posted by CRM114
Who said I was against states deciding? Didn't I just state that?
You said you were 'fascinated' by it. I guess I just assumed you you were against it because in the past I frequently argued why it was not an issue left up the states and was blasted for it...I just assumed you were one of them.
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The federal Amendment is completely necessary if you fear federal courts ruling that a ban on homosexual marriage is unconstitutional under the principles of equal protection and/or full faith and credit. That is a legitimate 'fear' if you ask me.

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My family is from the Joplin area, so I'm a frequent visitor to the great state of MO.

This doesn't surprise me. Between the massive praying hands sculpture near Webb City and the "Jesus is the Reason for the Season" billboards when I travel down for Christmas, it's not too shocking that Missouri doesn't like the gay.

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