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Old 01-30-03, 11:33 PM
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When will people learn not to video tape their own crimes?

Teens Ordered to Stand Trial for Alleged Videotaped Rape of Girl

In ordering three teenage boys to stand trial on rape charges, an Orange County judge said it was clear they treated the alleged victim "like a piece of meat."

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) 1.30.03, 9:25a -- The son of an Orange County assistant sheriff and two other teenagers were ordered to stand trial on two dozen felony counts related to the videotaped gang rape of an unconscious 16-year-old girl.

Superior Court Judge Everett W. Dickey said it was clear that the girl was "completely unconscious" for most of the 20-minute tape and unable to consent to sex, which defense attorneys have disputed.

"It's pretty clear she's just being used like a piece of meat," the judge said.

Gregory Haidl, Kyle Nachreiner and Keith Spann will be tried as adults instead of as juveniles, as their lawyers had requested. All three were 17 when the alleged assault occurred. Nachreiner and Spann are both 18.

If convicted, Haidl and Nachreiner could face life in prison and Spann could be sentenced to dozens of years in prison.

Haidl is the son of one of five assistant sheriffs who oversees the department's 250-person reserve program.

During the hearing yesterday, a defense attorney said that the victim had sexual intercourse with all three boys in the days leading up to the videotaped incident. They also said the girl consented to have sex the night of the alleged attack.

Authorities contend that the girl was so intoxicated that she didn't have the ability to consent.

"The defense of consent didn't fly at this hearing, and I don't think it will fly at trial either," said Newport Beach police Detective John Hougan.

The teens, who attended high school together in San Bernardino County, allegedly assaulted the girl July 6 at the Corona del Mar home of Haidl's father.

The girl drank a beer and an unspecified liquor before Haidl started filming his friends having sex with her, according to court testimony.

The teens were arrested after the videotape was given to authorities by an acquaintance of the teens.

When the boys weren't engaged in sex acts, they could be seen laughing and dancing, Deputy District Attorney Jana Hoffman said.

"It's clear from the videotape they don't care whether or not the victim is consenting," Hoffman said.

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It's horrible what they did, but why on earth did they video tape it?
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Re: When will people learn not to video tape their own crimes?

Originally posted by D.PhrozenHotStunta
Authorities contend that the girl was so intoxicated that she didn't have the ability to consent.

Thats what 3 Smirnoff Ice's will do to ya.


Really though I hope these guys get sent away for a long time. Although they won't be.
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Re: Re: When will people learn not to video tape their own crimes?

Originally posted by Mopower
Thats what 3 Smirnoff Ice's will do to ya.


Really though I hope these guys get sent away for a long time. Although they won't be.
i'm sure the fact that one of them is the son of an Orange County assistant sheriff will have no impact on that.
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bring back death by public hanging!

seriously, i think it's great that idiots videotape themselves doing stupid things. It makes it easier for the police and for the jury. Now if we could get idiots to stop doing things like this in the first place....
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When I first saw the thread title I thought it was referring to a similar story dominating Chicago news these days:

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DNA tests sought in sex tape hearing
Police say teens assaulted girl
By Diane Rado
Tribune staff reporter

January 31, 2003

Prosecutors are seeking DNA samples from four west suburban teenagers accused of sexually assaulting a girl and filming the incident.

All four pleaded not guilty to a 140-count indictment Thursday in Bridgeview. A March 10 hearing was set to consider the DNA request.

Cook County state's attorney's spokesman Jerry Lawrence described the request for DNA as "normal evidence collection" in a sexual assault case, but defense attorneys were critical.

"It's a fishing expedition," said Patrick Campanelli, who represents defendant Adrian Missbrenner, 17, of Lyons Township. Prosecutors say the assault occurred Dec. 7 in Missbrenner's home near Burr Ridge.

Also charged as co-conspirators, each facing 60 counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault, 40 counts of criminal sexual assault and 40 counts of child pornography are Burim Bezeri, 17, of Lyons; and Christopher Robbins, 18, and Sonny Smith, 18, both of Brookfield.

Prosecutors say Missbrenner, Bezeri and Robbins assaulted the 16-year-old Naperville girl while Smith maneuvered the video camera and coached. Jason Thomas, 18, of Brookfield and Joshua Kott, 18, of Countryside, are to appear in court next week on misdemeanor battery charges of spitting and writing on the girl.

Campanelli said Missbrenner told him the girl willingly participated in a home pornographic movie after the teens watched a late-night ad for "Girls Gone Wild," a video featuring women exposing themselves.

Lawrence describes the girl as "semi-responsive" to "catatonic" on the tape and unable to give consent, a key part of the state's case.

She had "no idea what was happening to her during this humiliating sexual assault," Lawrence said, and for defense attorneys to suggest otherwise "re-victimizes" the girl.

But attorneys for Missbrenner and Bezeri say the girl is conscious at the beginning of the tape and took part voluntarily.

"If any human being has any notion whatsoever that she was unconscious, that's going to disappear as soon as the tape starts to roll," said James Cutrone, who represents Bezeri.

Robbins' attorney, Robert Kuzas, said Robbins never appears in the tape.

"I am pretty confident they are not going to find any DNA that will come back to my client," Kuzas said.

The teens, who are out on bail, must stay at home unless they are at school or court. Thursday, Kuzas asked the judge to allow Robbins, an Illinois National Guard member, to attend a drill this weekend. Prosecutors objected and the judge denied the request.


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Okay this thread died a long time ago, but in the last year so much has happened in this case that I feel the need to update everything that has happened.

I don't have links to all of the stories, since they are a year old already. But his first trial ended in a hung jury and the authorities are in the process of trying him a second time. While he has been out on bail, he was arrested again for having sex with another 16 year old girl.

Then this...

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/110304_nw_haidl.html

Haidl Allegedly Tried to Commit Suicide

Gregory Haidl
SANTA ANA A former Orange County assistant sheriff's son awaiting retrial in a gang-rape case tried to kill himself several times and remains on suicide watch, his attorney said today.
Pete Scalisi is fighting efforts by prosecutors to have 19-year-old Gregory Haidl jailed for allegedly violating the conditions of his $100,000 bail.

Scalisi said Haidl should remain at the psychiatric facility where he is being treated for depression.

"There's been several (suicide) attempts," Scalisi said. "We're all concerned."

Said the lawyer: "The most recent attempt was very recent," but he declined to elaborate.

Prosecutors and lawyers for Haidl are to meet with Orange County Superior Court Judge Francisco Briseno on Friday to set a date for a hearing on the bail-revocation motion, a court clerk said. The judge will be off the bench all of next week, so the hearing will not be held before at least Nov. 15.

Prosecutors say Haidl violated the conditions of bail by consuming alcohol and they want him jailed pending his trial, set to start Jan 31.

The teen -- who has had several minor brushes with the law while being out on bail -- was found with a blood-alcohol level of about .02 following a traffic crash in Santa Ana Saturday night.

Police say the teen caused the crash by making an illegal turn. He was not found to be driving drunk, but he was cited and his driver's license was confiscated, authorities said.

Scalisi will argue that his client "has not violated any of the court's restrictions."

Haidl, whose terms of bail include electronic monitoring by Sentinel Offender Services, was told by Sentinel personnel that spicy food could produce a false positive in sobriety testing, Scalisi said.

Prior to the accident, Haidl had dined alone on Indian food, said the lawyer.

"That is the cause of the false positive," Scalisi said.

The test that was administered produced preliminary results, which should have been confirmed by further testing at the Santa Ana Police Station, Scalisi said.

Susan Schroeder of the Orange County District Attorney's Office, said prosecutors will argue that Haidl should be jailed.

"We think that Mr. Haidl poses a danger to the community," Schroeder said. "He has shown that over and over again. This is his sixth contact with police, two of them after the mistrial, and one resulted in a misdemeanor criminal filing."

Haidl is also awaiting trial on a misdemeanor charge that he had sex with an underage girl in July, although his lawyers said the sex was consensual.

He and two other teenagers are charged in connection with the videotaped sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl on July 6, 2002, on a pool table in the garage at the Corona del Mar home of Donald Haidl, who resigned as assistant Orange County sheriff in September.

The elder Haidl was not home at the time of the assault.

Despite the graphic tape, jurors in the first trial deadlocked on all two dozen counts, apparently uncertain whether the alleged acts were consensual and whether the victim's testimony was credible. The young men will face nine criminal charges in the second trial.


Then this

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3878393/detail.html

Gregory Haidl Involved In Head-On Collision
Authorities Will Seek To Revoke Haidl's Bail

POSTED: 5:30 am PST November 1, 2004
UPDATED: 6:47 am PST November 1, 2004

LOS ANGELES -- While awaiting retrial on gang rape charges, the son of a former assistant Orange County sheriff may be sent to jail after testing positive for alcohol following a head-on traffic collision.

Gregory Haidl, 19, was driving a 2005 Toyota Scion at 10:30 p.m. Saturday night when he veered into a car, said Santa Ana Police Capt. George Saadeh. Police cited Haidl for causing the accident.

Haidl, who is under the legal drinking age, had a blood alcohol level of .02 at the scene, which is below the legal level for drunken driving, police said.

Haidl's attorney, Peter Scalisi, said his client has been under a doctor's care for depression. Haidl was admitted Sunday to a hospital, but his lawyer declined to comment on why he was admitted.

Haidl has been charged along with two other men for allegedly videotaping the rape of an unconscious teenage girl in 2002. The first trial ended in a deadlocked jury.

In August, a judge ordered Haidl to avoid alcohol as a condition of his $100,000 bail while he awaits a second trial.

Prosecutors on Monday will seek to revoke the bail and have Haidl placed in custody until his Jan. 31 court date, district attorney spokeswoman Susan Kang Schroeder said.

"Certainly, anyone facing the prospect of going to jail would be depressed," she said.

"What's disturbing is that we've been saying all along that he is a danger to the community and that he should have been in custody all along."

Haidl, the son of former assistant Orange County sheriff Donald Haidl, was alone in the car and was not injured. The driver and passenger in the other car complained of pain but were not taken to a hospital, police said.

Haidl faces a potential 23-year prison sentence if convicted in the gang-rape. Haidl also has been charged with statutory rape for allegedly having sex with an underage girl earlier this year.

Sheriff's deputies last year also found a small amount of marijuana among Haidl's belongings. No charges were filed, but an Orange County Grand Jury report concluded that officials in the sheriff's department conspired to cover up the incident to protect Haidl.


And now this

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3908556/deta...111102004&ts=H

Accuser In Haidl Case Arrested On Drug Charges
Teen Accused Assistant Sheriff's Son Of Rape

POSTED: 3:03 pm PST November 10, 2004
UPDATED: 3:13 pm PST November 10, 2004

RANCHO CUCAMONGA, Calif. -- An 18-year-old who is the accuser in a high-profile gang rape case involving the son a former Orange County assistant sheriff has been arrested on drug charges, authorities said Wednesday.

The woman was arrested Saturday in Rancho Cucamonga along with an 18-year-old man, who was also charged with assaulting a peace officer, said Cindy Beavers, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

Both were charged with felony possession of methamphetamine with intent to sell, according to court documents. Joshua Tarabek has pleaded not guilty and is being held on $50,000 bond. The woman was released on bond and has not entered a plea.

The woman's name is not being released by The Associated Press because she is the alleged victim in a case in which three teens are accused of raping her at the Newport Beach home of former Orange County Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl in 2002 -- an encounter they videotaped.

Gregory Haidl, 19, and the two other teens -- Kyle Nachreiner and Keith Spann -- are free on bond and awaiting a Jan. 31 retrial after their first trial ended with jurors unable to agree on a verdict. They face up to 23 years in prison if convicted.

A prosecutor said the arrest should not matter.

"Jane Doe's recent behavior does not change the defendants' behavior on July 6 of 2002," said Orange County Deputy District Attorney Susan Kang Schroeder.

Haidl's attorney, Peter Scalisi, said the defense expects to tell jurors about the methamphetamine arrest if she testifies again.

"It will be a big factor in the next trial," he said.

In addition, the defense may seek to argue that her use of methamphetamine may make it harder for her to remember the facts surrounding the alleged rape in which she appeared to be unconscious while the three teens had sex with her on a pool table. The teens say the sex was consensual.


Now you are up to date!

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Sigh, kids these days.
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Re: When will people learn not to video tape their own crimes?

Originally posted by D.Pham00
"It's pretty clear she's just being used like a piece of meat," the judge said.

i've got a rump roast in the fridge that is going to get a good dildoing tonight!
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wow mr.payroll loves to bump ancient threads...
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I wonder what this kid's parents did to him? Why is he so messed up? Is he rebeling against is "Law enforcement" dad like a Preacher's kid?
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Originally posted by D.Pham00
wow mr.payroll loves to bump ancient threads...
It's not just that, but this has been happening in my backyard (well sort of) and every week there is another story about this guy. It deserves to be kept up to date and maybe we will see a final conclusion to this!

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Old 11-10-04, 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by mrpayroll
It's not just that, but this has been happening in my backyard (well sort of) and every week there is another story about this guy. It deserves to be kept up to date and maybe we will see a final conclusion to this!

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yeah that's one messed up kid. didn't he have sex with a minor after the jury deadlocked (or whatever) for the gang rape trial?
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Originally posted by D.Pham00
yeah that's one messed up kid. didn't he have sex with a minor after the jury deadlocked (or whatever) for the gang rape trial?
Yup, he sure did!

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http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3919304/deta...111152004&ts=H

Bail Revoked For Teen Awaiting Gang Rape Retrial
Judge Says Haidl Violated Conditions Of His Bail

POSTED: 9:43 am PST November 15, 2004
UPDATED: 11:58 am PST November 15, 2004

LOS ANGELES -- A former Orange County assistant sheriff's son who is awaiting trial on charges of participating in a videotaped gang rape violated the conditions of his bail by drinking, a judge found Monday.

Police said Gregory Haidl, 19, tested positive for alcohol after he was involved in a minor traffic accident on Oct. 30. Although he was not legally drunk, Haidl is too young to legally consume alcohol and, under the terms of his $100,000 bail, had agreed not to drink while awaiting trial on the rape charge.

Haidl was hospitalized for treatment of depression and post-traumatic stress after the accident and has remained there since.

Judge Francisco Briseno was expected to hold another hearing later Monday to determine whether Haidl was mentally competent to report to jail or should instead be guarded by a deputy at the hospital.

Haidl and two friends are charged with gang-raping an unconscious 16-year-old girl in the garage of Haidl's father's Newport Beach home in 2002 -- an encounter they videotaped. Defense attorneys maintain the sex was consensual.

The three are free on bail awaiting a retrial after their first trial ended with jurors unable to agree on a verdict.

Haidl's father was a top assistant to Orange County Sheriff Michael Carona until he resigned in September, saying he wanted to dedicate more time to his son's case.

The younger Haidl has had several brushes with the law since being arrested on the rape charge.

He was charged in July with statutory rape for allegedly having sex with an underage girl earlier this year. Last year sheriff's deputies said they found a small amount of marijuana among his belongings. He was not charged in this case, but an Orange County grand jury concluded sheriff's officials conspired to cover up the incident.

Also last year, Haidl was arrested for allegedly trespassing at a boarded-up restaurant where police found him skateboarding. Two months after that he was detained and released with a warning for allegedly trespassing and causing vandalism at a condominium complex where he was skateboarding.




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Wow, he should just commit suicide and get it over with. At least he won't be able to hurt anyone else.
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This shit makes me mad, lock all those guys up and throw away the key.
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Those kids should go fishing with Scott Peterson.
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Uh, so a teenage girl has sex with three guys at various times in the days leading up to this. Then she gets drunk and passes out and all three gang bang her. The boys say she consented prior to getting drunk. The prosecution says she was incapable of consent.

Did she actually accuse them of rape or did she claim she consented and the case based soley on the tape and her age? If the former is true then lock 'em up for the rest of their lives. If the latter, give them a few years for being stupid, but don't destroy their lives.

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but I don't think a 17yo boy having consentual sex with a 16yo girl, whatever the circumstances, should be a life-ending offense.
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regardless, she was unconcious (or at least looked like it in the video). then again, he wasn't convicted the first time, so at least some of the jurors agree with ya.
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I agree with Pistol Pete.

I also think that if this guy, or any other person in jail (or going there) should be allowed to kill themselves if they want to, save us all a lot of money and make for good stories to talk about.

Now you can crucify me instead of Pete.
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Originally posted by Debaser
Those kids should go fishing with Scott Peterson.
I know I shouldn't but
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This is how we do it in the OC.
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http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3984282/deta...112092004&ts=H

Jailed Son Of Former Assistant Sheriff Restrained With Stun Gun
Gregory Haidl Ties Bed Sheet Around Neck

POSTED: 6:17 am PST December 9, 2004
UPDATED: 6:50 am PST December 9, 2004

LOS ANGELES -- The jailed son of a former Orange County assistant sheriff threw a fit and put a bed sheet around his neck, prompting sheriff's deputies to go in and restrain him, using a stun gun, it was reported Thursday.

Gregory Haidl, accused in the gang rape of a 16-year-old girl, was not seriously hurt.

Haidl attorney Pete Scalisi told the Los Angeles Times using a stun gun on the 19-year-old was excessive. Jailers also violated Haidl's rights by keeping him in a cell 23 hours a day, the attorney told the newspaper.

Jon Fleischman, a sheriff's department spokesperson, declined to comment on Scalisi's allegations, or say if deputies interpreted the incident as a suicide try, The Times reported.

The friction started Saturday afternoon when deputies scolded Haidl for sharing a chocolate bar with an inmate, then refused to take prescription medicine or visit the jail doctor, Scalisi told The Times.

Scalisi disputed a report that the inmate Haidl shared the chocolate bar with was Alejandro Avila, the accused kidnapper and killer of 5-year-old Samantha Runnion.

Haidl, whose father was an assistant to Sheriff Michael S. Carona for nearly six years, is awaiting a second trial on charges that he and two friends raped a girl at his father's Corona del Mar home in 2002. His first trial ended in a mistrial after jurors deadlocked.


Whoa, if this is true, this is pretty amazing!

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http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4308967/deta...03570203232005

Mixed Verdicts Reached In Gang-Rape Retrial

POSTED: 4:15 pm PST March 22, 2005
UPDATED: 2:02 pm PST March 23, 2005

SANTA ANA, Calif. -- The son of a wealthy former assistant sheriff was convicted Wednesday of six counts of sexually assaulting an intoxicated teen in an encounter captured on videotape. Mixed verdicts were also reached for two co-defendants.

Greg Haidl, 19, was acquitted of assault with a deadly weapon and jurors deadlocked on two sexual assault counts.

Co-defendants Kyle Nachreiner and Keith Spann, both 20 of Rancho Cucamonga, faced the same nine counts.

Spann was found guilty of five counts of sexual assault, jurors deadlocked on two counts and he was found not guilty of assault with a deadly weapon and sexual penetration with a cigarette.

Nachreiner was found guilty of four counts of sexual assault, not guilty of three counts of sexual assault and one count of assault with a deadly weapon. Jurors deadlocked on one sexual assault charge against him.

Nachreiner and Spann cried as the verdicts were read. Haidl had his back to the audience but appeared to be biting his lip at one point.

Haidl's father, mother and stepmother cried as the verdicts read, as did other relatives and friends in the packed courtroom.

The verdicts came on the third full day of deliberations by the jury of eight men and four women.

If convicted of all counts, the defendants had faced up to 23 years in prison. Last year, a jury deadlocked on a longer list of charges against the young men.

The three were accused of assaulting the teen, identified in court only as Jane Doe, with a pool cue, juice bottle and cigarette on July 6, 2002. The victim was 16 at the time.

The key evidence in the trial was a 21-minute video of the 2002 incident, which occurred at the Newport Beach home of businessman and former Orange County Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl.

The case has drawn close attention in Orange County in part because of the prominence of Don Haidl, who resigned his post to focus on his 19-year-old son's legal battle and has also paid for the attorneys for Spann and Nachreiner, both 20 and from Rancho Cucamonga.


I guess justice has been served!


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Originally Posted by 12thmonkey
When I first saw the thread title I thought it was referring to a similar story dominating Chicago news these days:
Same here. I believe the 20 year old (Chicago Case) was found not guilty and the other two are out of the country.

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