RnR Hall of Fame 2020 nominees announced
10-15-19, 07:49 PM
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10-15-19, 08:36 PM
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10-16-19, 05:14 AM
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This is why Simon and Garfunkel are considered Rock & Roll. Along with Carpenters, Jim Croce, James Taylor, Seals & Crofts, etc. That's why they coined the term "soft rock".
10-16-19, 12:13 PM
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While I can roll with Pop acts who have little to do with R&R getting in like Donna Summer, Madonna and Janet Jackson, I have to draw the line at Whitney Houston. She was an undeniable talent. But she was the antithesis of Rock and Roll. She had what, two uptempo hits in her career (three if you count I'm Every Woman, but that's a remake of another 2020 Nominee's hit). You can make a case that Madonna and Donna Summer were influential on Rock (I guess), but certainly not Whitney Houston. That is the type of music people who hate rock listen to. If you induct her, you should have already inducted Barbra Streisand who was the original pop ballad diva -- and of course she's never been considered. If this was the Grammy Hall of Fame, she would absolutely be worthy, but in Cleveland she really shouldn't be on the short list.
And I don't understand why people think that "Rock and Roll" ONLY means guitar-driven hard rock. Genres like rap and hip-hop (and believe me, I'm NOT a fan of that style of music) is just as rock-and-roll as Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith.
The honky-tonk inspired piano of Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are just as rock and roll as the screaming guitars of Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen, and yes, the beats of Run-DMC and NWA. "Rock and Roll" encompasses MANY styles.
The honky-tonk inspired piano of Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are just as rock and roll as the screaming guitars of Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen, and yes, the beats of Run-DMC and NWA. "Rock and Roll" encompasses MANY styles.
The corporate suits got married to the idea of a Rock and Roll HOF back when rock still dominated the top 40. Now that times have changed they just want to be able to look relevant and cool so they induct old rap acts. That’s all.
10-16-19, 12:53 PM
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Top 10 Pop Music Divas of All Time
Whitney Houston's self-titled debut album released in 1985 became the bestselling debut album by a female artist of all time. Houston also earned success as a film actress. Her second album was the first by a woman to debut at the top of the album chart. Four studio albums, a movie soundtrack, and her greatest hits collection are all estimated to have sold 10 million copies or more around the world. Houston became the first artist ever to release seven consecutive No. 1 singles. She died tragically at age 48 in 2012.
Houston was given credit for continuing to break down color lines in popular music in the late 1980s. She was just as popular with mainstream pop audiences as with R&B audiences. Her music videos beginning with 1985's "How Will I Know" were popular on MTV.
Top Five Hits
- 1992 - "I Will Always Love You" - No. 1
- 1986 - "Greatest Love of All" - No. 1
- 1987 - "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me) - No. 1
- 1990 - "
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- 1987 - "Didn't We Almost Have It All" - No. 1
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Yes she had a couple of upbeat dance hits. But very, very few. She was primarily a pop ballad singer and that is what she is mostly known for.It will be interesting to see if she gets in because she's an undeniable talent, an all-timer. But like I said, not really a Rock and Roll artist or influence.
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10-16-19, 02:44 PM
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You likened her to Barbara Streisand and said her music is for people who hate rock. That’s overdoing it a bit.
As your article points out her music was popular on MTV.
As your article points out her music was popular on MTV.
10-16-19, 02:56 PM
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To refresh my memory I just skimmed through her first album. Plenty of up beat pop r&b.
But her greatest hits album is nuts. It doesn’t even have I Wanna Dance With Somebody on it. Nor does it have How Will I Know. It’s all her ballads. Did she distance herself from her early work at some point? It’s strange.
Nevermind I Wanna Dance is on there. But its a horrible remix.
But her greatest hits album is nuts. It doesn’t even have I Wanna Dance With Somebody on it. Nor does it have How Will I Know. It’s all her ballads. Did she distance herself from her early work at some point? It’s strange.
Nevermind I Wanna Dance is on there. But its a horrible remix.
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10-16-19, 04:09 PM
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I find it sort of dumb that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has to choose from a list of nominees. I mean if they’ve already deemed these acts worthy of a nomination why not just put them in? It just seems like a waste of time to me.
10-16-19, 04:27 PM
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10-16-19, 06:06 PM
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It's so tiresome I really don't care who is in or out anymore. All I know is the actual hall in Cleveland has a lot of extremely cool shit in it.
10-16-19, 06:08 PM
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Yes she had a couple of upbeat dance hits. But very, very few. She was primarily a pop ballad singer and that is what she is mostly known for.
It will be interesting to see if she gets in because she's an undeniable talent, an all-timer. But like I said, not really a Rock and Roll artist or influence.
It will be interesting to see if she gets in because she's an undeniable talent, an all-timer. But like I said, not really a Rock and Roll artist or influence.
10-17-19, 04:12 AM
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10-17-19, 08:46 AM
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10-17-19, 12:35 PM
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Would T Rex be the first one-hit wonder band to be in the RnR HoF?
10-17-19, 02:14 PM
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If T Rex is a "one-hit wonder" (and there's a LOT of evidence to show they're not...hell, I don't even know if the one hit you're talking about is Bang a Gong or Jeepster), that's still one more than the Ramones had over their career, and no one would dare say they don't belong in the HoF.
10-17-19, 03:35 PM
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10-17-19, 10:28 PM
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I remember a few songs besides Bang-a-Gong and I feel that Mark Bolan was overrated as a performer and a Poor Man's David Bowie(I think Bowie was first in Glam Rock).
Golden Earring should be in the HoF along with A-Ha(did they ever make it?). Plus Status Quo were big elsewhere and only had one big hit in the USA.
10-17-19, 11:54 PM
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And I don't understand why people think that "Rock and Roll" ONLY means guitar-driven hard rock. Genres like rap and hip-hop (and believe me, I'm NOT a fan of that style of music) is just as rock-and-roll as Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith.
The honky-tonk inspired piano of Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are just as rock and roll as the screaming guitars of Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen, and yes, the beats of Run-DMC and NWA. "Rock and Roll" encompasses MANY styles.
The honky-tonk inspired piano of Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are just as rock and roll as the screaming guitars of Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen, and yes, the beats of Run-DMC and NWA. "Rock and Roll" encompasses MANY styles.
Run-DMC sampling a rock and roll guitar lick for a song does not make them rock and roll.
Rock and roll to me is a genre, not an attitude.
I love NWA, Run-DMC, 2Pac, and Notorious B.I.G., so this isn't some bias on my part
But by your definition we may as well rename it the "Badass Musicians Hall of Fame", because all it takes to be rock-and-roll is to be rebellious
10-18-19, 03:01 AM
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De La Soul doesn't belong in the Jazz Hall of Fame.
The Rolling Stones don't belong in the Country Music Hall of Fame.
Linkin Park doesn't belong in the Rap Hall of Fame.
The only time this debate comes up is in the Rock Hall of Fame, because the organization is more concerned with being culturally relevant than with what their stated objective is. Granted they've been the laughing stock of music fans and musicians for a long time. But it never gets old making fun of their attempts to stay culturally relevant, not unlike the magazine Rolling Stone
10-18-19, 11:14 AM
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I was debating whether or not to ask this, but for those who say "rap is not rock and roll", then please clearly define "rock and roll". Please do it without citing specific acts. Not saying this to be snarky, it's a genuine question. And when I thought about it myself, I really couldn't answer it; rock and roll was already the melding of various styles of music, and has gone through so many changes over the course of the last 60+ years that almost anything could be considered rock and roll. Which is why I have no problems with rap being included. I'm also aware that rap artists and fans don't consider themselves rock and roll, but that doesn't mean it's true.
That said, I do think the Hall has woefully ignored heavy metal acts (and I despise metal almost as much as I despise rap so believe me this is not due to personal preference).
Also, I looked it up, and I don't see Todd Rundgren in the "non-performers" section, and considering he produced nearly every record from 1974-1982 (many for HoF performers), it's a glaring oversight.
That said, I do think the Hall has woefully ignored heavy metal acts (and I despise metal almost as much as I despise rap so believe me this is not due to personal preference).
Also, I looked it up, and I don't see Todd Rundgren in the "non-performers" section, and considering he produced nearly every record from 1974-1982 (many for HoF performers), it's a glaring oversight.
10-18-19, 01:33 PM
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Wondering how on earth Smashing Pumpkins is not nominated but I don't have much of an issue with the actual rock act nominees.
10-18-19, 01:47 PM
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I was debating whether or not to ask this, but for those who say "rap is not rock and roll", then please clearly define "rock and roll". Please do it without citing specific acts. Not saying this to be snarky, it's a genuine question. And when I thought about it myself, I really couldn't answer it; rock and roll was already the melding of various styles of music, and has gone through so many changes over the course of the last 60+ years that almost anything could be considered rock and roll. Which is why I have no problems with rap being included. I'm also aware that rap artists and fans don't consider themselves rock and roll, but that doesn't mean it's true.
That said, I do think the Hall has woefully ignored heavy metal acts (and I despise metal almost as much as I despise rap so believe me this is not due to personal preference).
Also, I looked it up, and I don't see Todd Rundgren in the "non-performers" section, and considering he produced nearly every record from 1974-1982 (many for HoF performers), it's a glaring oversight.
That said, I do think the Hall has woefully ignored heavy metal acts (and I despise metal almost as much as I despise rap so believe me this is not due to personal preference).
Also, I looked it up, and I don't see Todd Rundgren in the "non-performers" section, and considering he produced nearly every record from 1974-1982 (many for HoF performers), it's a glaring oversight.
That wasn’t so hard.
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10-18-19, 02:27 PM
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Rock and Roll is American blues, race music (which would later be redubbed “R&B”), and what was called Hillbilly Music (later Country Music) played in an uptempo style with an emphasis on the rhythm section and guitars. It’s forward facing and performed at the listener. Since the term Rock and Roll itself borrowed from a slang word for sex, it typically contains some element that is rebellious or revolutionary (sexually, politically, socially).
That wasn’t so hard.
Rap's emphasis is on lyrics, rhythm and cadence. The rhythmic music usually functions as a backdrop for the rapper to speak in rhymes over. Synthesizers, bass, turntables, and drums usually provide the beat. It has much more in common with poetry than it does with rock music.
I think the better question is, what makes rap music a subset of rock music? I've never once heard anyone classify it under the umbrella of rock music until now.
10-18-19, 03:43 PM
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Rock and Roll is American blues, race music (which would later be redubbed “R&B”), and what was called Hillbilly Music (later Country Music) played in an uptempo style with an emphasis on the rhythm section and guitars. It’s forward facing and performed at the listener. Since the term Rock and Roll itself borrowed from a slang word for sex, it typically contains some element that is rebellious or revolutionary (sexually, politically, socially).
That wasn’t so hard.
