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Old 10-06-18, 06:45 AM
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Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

3/4 original members are still alive & active. Between all the solo projects, collaborations with other musicians and Page's never ending quest to capitalize on The Zep catalog with the Super Duper bloated reissues, it seems like the obvious thing to do & the only thing that hasn't been done... and it'd be huge
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Old 10-06-18, 07:21 AM
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

They have for one off shows i believe 3 times but I never for a tour. But from what I understand they never have wanted to because of Bonham dieing and their age now.
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

I think Plant is the holdout.
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

Led Zeppelin considered themselves a sum of four equal parts. No part more important than any other. Led Zeppelin without Bonham is the same as without Plant or Page (to them).
They considered it a rip-off and dishonest to continue as Led Zeppelin without Bonham because it wouldn't be the real Led Zeppelin and they didn't want to put the Led Zeppelin brand on anything without Bonham. So they retired the band. They never broke up.
That is the primary reason.

At no time when the remaining members would perform together did they refer to themselves as Led Zeppelin. Others may have, but the members themselves never would give the impression you were seeing Led Zeppelin.

The 02 concert was the first, and only time that there was an official Led Zeppelin performance since 1980. There were two primary reasons they did that show.
First, all the previous reunion appearances had been rush jobs and they were not at their best. They didn't want these haphazard, inferior performances to be their legacy. They wanted to correct the record and leave us with a legacy show that was the best they could be. They rehearsed for six months just to do that one show.
Second, Jason Bonham. The son of their dear friend. A kid they watched grow up. A kid who would love to be the drummer of Led Zeppelin like his dad. For one night only, the son of their friend got to be the drummer of Led Zeppelin.

They could still probably hold up physically. Plant is 70. Page and Jones are around 74.
Plant has moved on musically. I believed he moved on as far back as the 80s.
I don't think they would have ever broken up had Bonham lived, but albums and tours would have become increasingly spaced as Plant pursued his solo career.
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

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Led Zeppelin considered themselves a sum of four equal parts. No part more important than any other. Led Zeppelin without Bonham is the same as without Plant or Page (to them).
They considered it a rip-off and dishonest to continue as Led Zeppelin without Bonham because it wouldn't be the real Led Zeppelin and they didn't want to put the Led Zeppelin brand on anything without Bonham. So they retired the band. They never broke up.
That is the primary reason.

At no time when the remaining members would perform together did they refer to themselves as Led Zeppelin. Others may have, but the members themselves never would give the impression you were seeing Led Zeppelin.

The 02 concert was the first, and only time that there was an official Led Zeppelin performance since 1980. There were two primary reasons they did that show.
First, all the previous reunion appearances had been rush jobs and they were not at their best. They didn't want these haphazard, inferior performances to be their legacy. They wanted to correct the record and leave us with a legacy show that was the best they could be. They rehearsed for six months just to do that one show.
Second, Jason Bonham. The son of their dear friend. A kid they watched grow up. A kid who would love to be the drummer of Led Zeppelin like his dad. For one night only, the son of their friend got to be the drummer of Led Zeppelin.

They could still probably hold up physically. Plant is 70. Page and Jones are around 74.
Plant has moved on musically. I believed he moved on as far back as the 80s.
I don't think they would have ever broken up had Bonham lived, but albums and tours would have become increasingly spaced as Plant pursued his solo career.
If Queen could reunite without Freddie, GnR without Steven Adler & Alice in Chains without Layne Staley, LZ could do it without Bonham IMO.
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

Except the band members themselves don’t feel that way, and they’re the only ones who can decide that.
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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

Saw them at the O2 in London 10+ years ago.
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Old 10-07-18, 07:55 AM
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If Queen could reunite without Freddie, GnR without Steven Adler & Alice in Chains without Layne Staley, LZ could do it without Bonham IMO.
Do you believe Queen without Freddie Mercury is just as good, equal to Queen with Freddie Mercury?

The band members believe that Zeppelin without Bonham is not as good as Zeppelin with Bonham. They don't want to put out an inferior product.
Their philosophy is that if someone buys a ticket to see Led Zeppelin, that person deserves to see Page, Plant, Jones and Bonham. Since they can't deliver on what the ticket promises, they won't sell them.
If you went to see Van Halen without Michael Anthony, didn't you feel just a little disappointment he wasn't there? You maybe thought the show was great but you wished he had been there?
Zeppelin doesn't want anybody having those thoughts or feelings about a Led Zeppelin show. No matter how great the show may be, wishing Bonham had been there is a feeling of dissatisfaction. Zeppelin wants you to be 100% satisfied.

Just about everybody can agree that seeing a band with all original members is premium to seeing a band with replacements.

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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

All four parties have to agree before anyone can use the name Led Zeppelin. So it only takes one holdout.

Who Owns the Name Led Zeppelin?

It was recently announced that the legendary British rock band Led Zeppelin may begin recording and touring again for the first time in decades. The original group, consisting of singer Robert Plant, guitarist Jimmy Page, bassist John Paul Jones and percussionist John Bonham, began performing in the late 1960’s.

After the untimely death of Bonham in 1980, Led Zeppelin broke up and didn’t perform together again until a benefit concert in December 2007, when Jason Bonham replaced his late father on drums. However, it’s unlikely that one of the original members of the group will be performing with the other three. Robert Plant, a successful solo artist in his own right, has announced that he will not be touring or recording with Led Zeppelin.

Since Plant’s vocals were a unique part of the Led Zeppelin sound, some have wondered whether the new group can still call itself Led Zeppelin. This raises the legal question: Who owns the name Led Zeppelin? Under U.S. trademark law, the name of a performing group can serve as both a trademark identifying tangible goods (namely, sound and/or visual recordings), and a service mark identifying intangible services (namely, live entertainment).

Registration of the trademark LED ZEPPELIN wasn’t obtained in the United States until late 1998, nearly two decades after the death of John Bonham. According to U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) records, the registrants of this mark are Robert A. Plant, James P. Page, John Baldwin and Joan Hudson. Who, you might ask, are John Baldwin and Joan Hudson? The USPTO lists John Baldwin as also being known as John Paul Jones (the group’s bass player) and Joan Hudson as the trustee of the estate of John H. Bonham (Led Zeppelin’s original drummer).

As far as live performances are concerned, no federal registration for the service mark LED ZEPPELIN was sought in 1998, since at that time the group hadn’t provided those services for nearly two decades. Does a band have to be as famous as LED ZEPPELIN in order to get federal trademark or service mark registration? Not necessarily, but there are a few criteria that need to be met before registration can issue. First of all, the group has to be involved in interstate commerce. Any group that has never performed outside its own state probably cannot get federal service mark registration of its name. Likewise, a band that has only sold recordings inside its own state probably cannot receive federal trademark registration of its name for those recordings. Once the interstate commerce hurdle has been crossed, service mark registration of the name of a group (i.e. in association in live entertainment) can be obtained if it can be shown that the group’s name identifies and distinguishes the services, and not merely the group itself.

Obtaining federal registration of a group’s name as a trademark (i.e. in association with recordings) is a little more difficult; “one hit wonders” (groups that only make one recording) need not apply. Evidence must be submitted that the group’s name appears on at least two different works.

In addition, the applicant must prove that the name is a “source identifier.” This can be done by submitting proof of either: 1) promotion or recognition of the name by others; or 2) control by the applicant over the nature and quality of the goods (i.e. the recordings).

Getting back to the original question (Who owns the name LED ZEPPELIN?), the band members may have entered into other contractual agreements regarding the name of the group, but as far as U.S. trademark law is concerned, the owners of the name LED ZEPPELIN, at least for recordings, are the registrants listed in the records of the Patent and Trademark Office.
http://www.bmwb-law.com/web/who-owns...-led-zeppelin/

ETA: Page was commercially savvy. He incorporated, with the other members of the band as co-directors, before the first Led Zeppelin album was even released.

https://rarerecordcollector.net/2013...and-superhype/

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Re: Why has Led Zeppelin never reunited?

Originally Posted by rw2516 View Post
Do you believe Queen without Freddie Mercury is just as good, equal to Queen with Freddie Mercury?

The band members believe that Zeppelin without Bonham is not as good as Zeppelin with Bonham. They don't want to put out an inferior product.
Their philosophy is that if someone buys a ticket to see Led Zeppelin, that person deserves to see Page, Plant, Jones and Bonham. Since they can't deliver on what the ticket promises, they won't sell them.
If you went to see Van Halen without Michael Anthony, didn't you feel just a little disappointment he wasn't there? You maybe thought the show was great but you wished he had been there?
Zeppelin doesn't want anybody having those thoughts or feelings about a Led Zeppelin show. No matter how great the show may be, wishing Bonham had been there is a feeling of dissatisfaction. Zeppelin wants you to be 100% satisfied.

Just about everybody can agree that seeing a band with all original members is premium to seeing a band with replacements.
I agree with everything you just said. I didn't know Zep wouldn't go on without Bonham (although I believe they could). If Guns n Roses could re-unite & tour without Adler & have a massively successful tour, imagine what Zeppelin could do.

Interestingly enough, I was just listening to Q104.3, a NY classic rock station, & the DJ said there are rumors that Page is planning to reform Zeppelin with a different lead singer because Plant isn't interested... but Steven Tyler is!
If these rumors are true, then that contradicts everything you're saying.

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When Bonham died, rumor was they were gonna get Cozy Powell. That would have been interesting.

The problem is Plant is a bitter old bitch. For starters, he hates Stairway. Calls it "that bloody wedding song." Word is he said he'd do a reunion tour only if they didn't include Stairway in the set, which was a non starter for the other guys.

The other reason for his bitterness is in the early 80s, he sold all his royalties to Page. Plant erroneously thought the band would fade away, so he cashed out. Instead the legend grew and the back catalog sells something like two million copies a year. Who gets it all? Page, with a little to Jones and Bonham's estate. Plant has missed out on millions, since he was the lyricist. He ain't happy but has no one to blame but himself for that one.
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Jimmy Page has never really wanted to stop doing Led Zeppelin. Even without Plant, he hired David Coverdale. Then the Page/Plant stuff. Then all the talk of bring someone else in to sing. Jimmy Page never got over Led Zeppelin and Robert Plant did, plain and simple. And good for Plant, because his solo stuff has been INFINITELY more interesting than anything Page has put out post Zep.
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If you want new Zeppelin material, they’re releasing a book of photos next week. Pretty sure Page is the driving force, as usual, but it’s under the Led Zeppelin name.
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I agree with everything you just said. I didn't know Zep wouldn't go on without Bonham (although I believe they could). If Guns n Roses could re-unite & tour without Adler & have a massively successful tour, imagine what Zeppelin could do.

Interestingly enough, I was just listening to Q104.3, a NY classic rock station, & the DJ said there are rumors that Page is planning to reform Zeppelin with a different lead singer because Plant isn't interested... but Steven Tyler is!
If these rumors are true, then that contradicts everything you're saying.
There's no doubt a tour with replacement drummer would be HUGE. They could move coast to coast selling out all the NFL and MLB stadiums. 3-4 nights in a row in LA and NY.
Every one of the several million in attendance could think it was the best show ever, but could have been better with Bonham.

There have been unending rumors for 40 years.
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When Bonham died, rumor was they were gonna get Cozy Powell. That would have been interesting.

The problem is Plant is a bitter old bitch. For starters, he hates Stairway. Calls it "that bloody wedding song." Word is he said he'd do a reunion tour only if they didn't include Stairway in the set, which was a non starter for the other guys.

The other reason for his bitterness is in the early 80s, he sold all his royalties to Page. Plant erroneously thought the band would fade away, so he cashed out. Instead the legend grew and the back catalog sells something like two million copies a year. Who gets it all? Page, with a little to Jones and Bonham's estate. Plant has missed out on millions, since he was the lyricist. He ain't happy but has no one to blame but himself for that one.
Plant doesn't care for ALL the long songs. Kashmir, Achilles Last Stand, etc.
He's not totally down on Zep, Just not into doing it as a regular thing.
I'm sure he still gets his song writer royalties. A famous song brings in about 100K a year to the writer(s) just from radio play. Multiply that by number of famous Zep songs played ad nauseum on the radio every day.
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Jimmy Page has never really wanted to stop doing Led Zeppelin. Even without Plant, he hired David Coverdale. Then the Page/Plant stuff. Then all the talk of bring someone else in to sing. Jimmy Page never got over Led Zeppelin and Robert Plant did, plain and simple. And good for Plant, because his solo stuff has been INFINITELY more interesting than anything Page has put out post Zep.
Yeah, with the exception of THE FIRM he hasn't really done much. The Coverdale/Page album wasn't bad, THE FIRM was great, mostly due to Paul Rodgers. It was the perfect replacement vehicle for him. That seems to be his forte, form an all new band, with a new name, and be the guitarist. Like Blackmore did with Rainbow.
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I would think that if Plant was bitter about royalties and wanted more lucre in his bank account, then a Led Zeppelin reunion and tour would be the thing to do.
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Yeah, with the exception of THE FIRM he hasn't really done much. The Coverdale/Page album wasn't bad, THE FIRM was great, mostly due to Paul Rodgers. It was the perfect replacement vehicle for him. That seems to be his forte, form an all new band, with a new name, and be the guitarist. Like Blackmore did with Rainbow.
Anyone remember this?

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Plant sold his royalties to Page? That was never mentioned in news stories about the Stairway to Heaven plagiarism suit.

Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page have made $US58.5 million (A$79 million) over the years from Stairway to Heaven, an expert has testified in the trial over alleged copyright infringement in the band's signature song.
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Anyone remember this?

Yep. Only one good song on it. Prison Blues.
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Some things are just better left as-is.

This post from 2008, I think, is still worth reading.

Plant Says No
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I would have loved to have seen them ten years ago, but they are too old now anyway. Really, you have to respect Plant's integrity here. That's hundreds of millions of dollars he left on the table.
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Plant has ZERO interest. None.

He sold his publishing interests in Zeppelin 35+ years ago, so the songs don't make him much money any more.

I don't blame him. I'd rather he do a follow-up album with Alison Krauss than do anything else with Zeppelin.
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Yeah basically no matter how much detail and minutiae people want to speculate on or discuss why it hasn't happened basically comes down to two words.

Robert Plant.
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Do you believe Queen without Freddie Mercury is just as good, equal to Queen with Freddie Mercury?

The band members believe that Zeppelin without Bonham is not as good as Zeppelin with Bonham. They don't want to put out an inferior product.
Their philosophy is that if someone buys a ticket to see Led Zeppelin, that person deserves to see Page, Plant, Jones and Bonham. Since they can't deliver on what the ticket promises, they won't sell them.
If you went to see Van Halen without Michael Anthony, didn't you feel just a little disappointment he wasn't there? You maybe thought the show was great but you wished he had been there?
Zeppelin doesn't want anybody having those thoughts or feelings about a Led Zeppelin show. No matter how great the show may be, wishing Bonham had been there is a feeling of dissatisfaction. Zeppelin wants you to be 100% satisfied.

Just about everybody can agree that seeing a band with all original members is premium to seeing a band with replacements.
Two things:

1) I bet if John Paul Jones had died in 1980 they would have found another bassist and moved on. Bonham was a huge presence in the band. I never found his drumming very interesting, but whatever.

2) It's one thing not wanting to see a band with ringers (Kiss, Black Sabbath) as opposed to a band replacing a deceased bandmate.

Also, the time to tour again was 10 years ago after the London one-off concert.
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