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Old 08-26-18, 10:48 PM
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
Who cares about Fleetwood Mac. I just want a new Buckingham album.
You got one last Summer. And a good one at that.

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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

^It was decent, but not top-drawer Buckingham, which is to say not a patch on any album of his since 1992. He's one of the fewer than five bands/musicians whose albums I buy without a second thought (I have paltry space on my CD shelves). One thing I wonder is why he always looks so miserable on his album covers.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

It was great.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
One thing I wonder is why he always looks so miserable on his album covers.
Probably those tight jeans that look two sizes to small.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

^Ha, could be.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Originally Posted by rw2516
Probably those tight jeans that look two sizes to small.
I noticed that immediately when the album was released. The fit of those jeans is how a woman would wear them. Just looks weird.

And yea, not only is he not happy on his album covers - he always looks totally miserable.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Yea... I'm gonna pass on this tour.

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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

and lawsuit....

https://ew.com/music/2018/10/12/lind...d-mac-lawsuit/
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Well, that's silly. As long as he's still getting his royalties, he should let the others go on without him. A lawsuit just seems trifling, unless there's a meritorious aspect (I didn't read the article).
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

There's precedent for this lawsuit : Kathy Valentine sued the rest of the Go-Go's in 2013 after they kicked her out of the band after she broke her wrist before a big tour. Checking Google, the settlement was never made public, but believe me (because I know for sure), she did VERY well for herself with the settlement. I was shocked that the other gals let her rejoin the band this Summer.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

I hate to be the "it's all about the music man" guy, but when there are lawsuits, and all the members hate each other it just drains a lot of the fun out of it for me when it comes to going to see them live. Especially when you factor in that Fleetwood Mac has been purely a nostaligia act for sometime.

From the time I was 13 in 1997 until right before it actually happened I DREAMED about the day Guns n Roses would reunite and I'd be able to see them live. Then when it came out that Izzy and Adler weren't gonna be a part of it, it was pretty deflating, but I still planned on going to see them. Then when it came out that Axl, Slash and Duff were going to make the lions share of the profits from the tour while Izzy was offered table scraps, I was just done at that point. I lost all interest. Izzy Stradlin was the backbone of GNR. He wrote most of their great songs and is easily the coolest dude ever. I was depressed for weeks when it came out that the rest of the band was willing to fuck him over. Never meet your heroes. Or even read about them.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
Well, that's silly. As long as he's still getting his royalties, he should let the others go on without him. A lawsuit just seems trifling, unless there's a meritorious aspect (I didn't read the article).
If Fleetwood Mac formed an economic entity, and Buckingham is a member of that entity, then he is entitled to his share of all profits Fleetwood Mac earns, even this tour.
He is not entitled to the performance fee that the others get. Each band member gets paid a salary for performing each night, that is deducted from gross profits, what is leftover gets divided equally among the members of the entity. The replacement musicians get paid for performing but do not get a share of the profits.

Mick Taylor was an equal member of The Rolling Stones. He left the band in 1974. He still gets an equal share of all profits the economic entity earns, including all the tours and albums since he left.
Ron Wood was not made a member at first. He was just paid a salary for performing on the recordings and tours, while Taylor was getting a share of the profits.

Don Felder was an equal member of The Eagles. After he was fired he continued to get his share of Eagles profits. I believe he had to sue because they weren't paying him.

Take the "Say You Will" album. Which Christine McVie is absent from.
Fleetwood Mac paid the other four members a salary for performing on the album.
Fleetwood Mac paid Buckingham a salary for producing.
Any profits the album earned would have been divided equally among the members of the Fleetwood Mac entity, including Christine.

Each member files an individual tax return
Fleetwood Mac files a business tax return
The income the members received is listed as an expense on the Fleetwood Mac tax return

Don't know if it would hold up legally, active members could raise their salaries high enough to wipe out all profits, leaving nothing left to be divided among members both active and non-active.

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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

^OK, fair enough, but it still seems a bit petty to me. I'm sure he's swimming in dough. The best revenge for an ignominious, spiteful act like his dismissal would be for him to move on and continue making great solo albums. Nevertheless, I can appreciate your argument that he deserves his share of the ongoing "economic entity".
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Originally Posted by dex14
Yea... I'm gonna pass on this tour.

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Yeah, saw those clips too. Terrible!

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There's precedent for this lawsuit : Kathy Valentine sued the rest of the Go-Go's in 2013 after they kicked her out of the band after she broke her wrist before a big tour. Checking Google, the settlement was never made public, but believe me (because I know for sure), she did VERY well for herself with the settlement. I was shocked that the other gals let her rejoin the band this Summer.
I hated the way Belinda, Jane, Charlotte and Gina treated Kathy Valentine during this time. Fuck them! And I refused to ever see them again after that with her replacement.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

I think Steve Perry has a similiar deal where he gets paid for everything Journey does even if he has no involvement.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

Saw the show last night. I thought it was a pretty good show. Obviously age and lifestyle has taken a toll on Stevie's vocals to some extent, but she was still pretty good. They played for a solid 2 1/4 hours. Hit almost all their hits (not Tusk, Silver Springs or Sara though). Covered a couple of older FM songs. One amazing cover in the encore. Not a mere mention of Lindsey. Neil Finn is a fine vocalist (and he played an acoustic Don't Dream It's Over ) and Mike Campbell is a very capable proficient guitarist, but Lindsey was sorely missed, at least by me. Neither is close to the dynamic presence that Lindsey is.

My seats were really great, front of floor, around 20 rows back.

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Re: Lindsey Buckingham no longer in Fleetwood Mac

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Saw the show last night. I thought it was a pretty good show. Obviously age and lifestyle has taken a toll on Stevie's vocals to some extent, but she was still pretty good. They played for a solid 2 1/4 hours. Hit almost all their hits (not Tusk, Silver Springs or Sara though). Covered a couple of older FM songs. One amazing cover in the encore. Not a mere mention of Lindsey. Neil Finn is a fine vocalist (and he played an acoustic Don't Dream It's Over ) and Mike Campbell is a very capable proficient guitarist, but Lindsey was sorely missed, at least by me. Neither is close to the dynamic presence that Lindsey is.

My seats were really great, front of floor, around 20 rows back.

Cool picture and great seats! Yeah, without Lindsey, this is not Fleetwood Mac. Sorry. I don't know why they couldn't just wait to accommodate his schedule. Or who knows, maybe he truly is an asshole. Like that recent article paints him out to be. But they should have met in the middle. This has to be the last tour for them. It's so sad they couldn't do a proper goodbye.
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Lindsey Buckingham Heart problems

Just read an FB post that Lindsey Buckingham had emergency open heart surgery last week. He is recovering, but has suffered vocal cord damage! Yikes!

Rolling Stone article
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Oh, man, terrible news. My guess is, the vocal-chord damage is from the intubation and won't be permanent, but he might decide to hang up his guitar regardless. That would be a great loss to music. He's one of only a small handful of musicians whose albums I still automatically buy.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham Heart problems

Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
Oh, man, terrible news. My guess is, the vocal-chord damage is from the intubation and won't be permanent, but he might decide to hang up his guitar regardless. That would be a great loss to music. He's one of only a small handful of musicians whose albums I still automatically buy.
same here. Well even if he canít sing he could still write some mean songs for McVie to sing ...

sounds like a family history of heart problems though, so hopefully this surgery takes care of it
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same here. Well even if he canít sing he could still write some mean songs for McVie to sing ...

Are they still on speaking terms after the whole F.M. fiasco? Plus, though I'm not enormously fond of his reedy voice, I'd rather he sing his own songs. He's unique. There's only one Lindsey Buckingham.
sounds like a family history of heart problems though, so hopefully this surgery takes care of it
Medicine can do so much more these days than was possible even 20 years ago, so, yeah, I'm with you in crossing my fingers that the surgery will help Lindsey live normally.
My mom had congestive heart failure about 6 years ago. She had mitral valve surgery and, knock on wood, her heart has been fine since.
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham Heart problems

Donít know if theyíre on good terms but I doubt she was a big part of the ouster.

I like his voice too. Irreplaceable

Glad to hear your mom is well!
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Re: Lindsey Buckingham Heart problems

Lindsey has said that Chris was the only one who reached out afterwards. He didn't give the impression that they are on bad terms.
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Yeah, considering they just released a great album a little while ago, Iíd assume theyíre copacetic!
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Glad to hear your mom is well!
Thank you.

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