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Old 09-21-17, 08:59 PM   #51
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

Could have made one pretty good album out of those two paradigms of mediocrity.
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Old 09-21-17, 09:00 PM   #52
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

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I have II on now and I agree about Get In The Ring being dated but I can get past it. I think the only time I am pulled out of a song by something being dated is the "cruising for a bruising" line from Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon.
I dunno, if only Geoff Tate would rattle off about 1986 Federal Expenditures in more of his tunes...
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The pretentious videos like November Rain didn't help matters much.
Speaking of which, the band definitely owes Stephanie Seymour at least some credit for the success of those albums.
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

Not to mention her being made to shit in a kitty litter box if those rumors are true.
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Old 09-22-17, 09:45 AM   #55
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

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I never thought much of these albums. Appetite was a hard act to follow, but these just felt...off somehow. Too much corporate/MTV influence. The pretentious videos like November Rain didn't help matters much.
Appetite was the first record I learned how to play front to back and a huge influence on me in HS. When UYI came out, I was just underwhelmed. If I've listened to it a dozen times in my life I'd be surprised. Some good stuff on there, but it is a shadow of the raw energy the first had. I don't mind the epic tracks, but between the many filler tracks and the loss of the edge in their sound, I just never connected with UYI.

Funny thing is, Metallica followed a similar path in the same timeframe from AJFA in 1988 to the black album in 1991. And yet, even though I didn't like the change to their sound at the time, it's hard to deny the black album is a touchstone in metal and contains almost no filler. Of course then they released their equivalent of UYI with Load and Reload, and I'm not even sure there are 12 good tracks on those two combined, but that's a discussion for another thread.
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Old 09-22-17, 09:47 AM   #56
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

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I dunno, if only Geoff Tate would rattle off about 1986 Federal Expenditures in more of his tunes...
These days Geoff would most likely rattle off about his favorite wine and the latest addition to his vest collection.
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

I took this pic at the 1992 MTV Awards...

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Old 09-24-17, 09:02 PM   #58
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I took this pic at the 1992 MTV Awards...

Awesome shot.
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Old 09-25-17, 09:36 AM   #59
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This thread made me go back and re-visit these albums. I'm definitely not a fan of guns n roses but I think there are some amazing songs on both of these albums and like Hokeyboy said....should have been one album.

It's crazy how some great songs are on albums with such shitty ones as well.
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It's crazy how some great songs are on albums with such shitty ones as well.
That's what happens when you're the biggest band in the world and there's no objectivity let into the production process.
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Old 09-26-17, 12:44 PM   #62
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Civil War is probably one of the best songs GnR ever recorded. It's easily the best song off of either album. And strangely enough, was released a year before either album dropped. As it was the last song to feature Adler on drums, I'm assuming it wasn't part of the album sessions proper... which, given the overall quality of the Use Your Illusion records, makes perfect sense.
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Old 09-26-17, 01:02 PM   #63
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Civil War is probably one of the best songs GnR ever recorded. It's easily the best song off of either album. And strangely enough, was released a year before either album dropped. As it was the last song to feature Adler on drums, I'm assuming it wasn't part of the album sessions proper... which, given the overall quality of the Use Your Illusion records, makes perfect sense.


Always sounded like a "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" retread to me. Never cared for it.

EDIT: I misread your post thinking you meant it was better than anything on Appetite too.
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Old 09-26-17, 01:22 PM   #64
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Was I the only one really disappointed in those when they came out? Sure there are a few good songs, but the bad ones are REALLY bad. I've literally blocked most of it out of my memory, very few of those song titles you guys listed seem familiar to me (besides the few that were on MTV constantly). They deserved to break up after releasing that, imho.


Nope I thought there was a 6 good songs between the both. If I never hear November Rain again that would be fine with me.
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Old 09-26-17, 05:14 PM   #65
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Civil War is probably one of the best songs GnR ever recorded. It's easily the best song off of either album. And strangely enough, was released a year before either album dropped. As it was the last song to feature Adler on drums, I'm assuming it wasn't part of the album sessions proper... which, given the overall quality of the Use Your Illusion records, makes perfect sense.
Yeah, that song originally appeared on the Nobody's Child charity album in 1990, a year before the Illusion albums and they debuted it live at Farm Aid that same year (when Adler was still in the band), it must have been recorded before the Illusion sessions proper. Funny, I was just listening to it today and agree that it's a great song.
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Old 09-26-17, 05:36 PM   #66
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Re: 26th Anniversary: Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I & 2

You Could Be Mine also came out long before the albums given it was tied to T2. Like Civil War it sounds much different, and is far better, than most of the others songs on either album.

As for being disappointed in the albums, I do remember being bummed that two of the songs were covers. Which of course was nothing compared to the follow up album being nothing but cover songs.
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Old 09-28-17, 08:25 PM   #67
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Yes, unfortunately this was back when you bought albums for albums. You listened to every song, you judged every song, etc.
Now it's I just want a couple songs off the album. Releasing UYI I and II would never work in today's world. Leave it to Axl and the record companies to make as much money as possible.

Also, I agree on the You Could Be Mine and Civil War. Those songs are stand outs and they were done well before the albums released. They are the only songs in my rotation from that era other than a couple songs from the Lies album.
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You Could Be Mine also came out long before the albums given it was tied to T2. Like Civil War it sounds much different, and is far better, than most of the others songs on either album.

As for being disappointed in the albums, I do remember being bummed that two of the songs were covers. Which of course was nothing compared to the follow up album being nothing but cover songs.
I think what you really mean was that it was written long before the albums came out. You Could Be Mine (and Don't Cry and November Rain) were actually written during the AFD sessions.

Use Your Illusion II came out on 9/17/91 and T2 on 6/3 (wide release) and the soundtrack itself on 7/1. So it was only a few months.
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I think what you really mean was that it was written long before the albums came out. You Could Be Mine (and Don't Cry and November Rain) were actually written during the AFD sessions.
Yeah, those are all pretty old songs. You Could Be Mine was originally slated to appear on Appetite. I've seen a video of GNR performing an accoustic set before they were even popular and it included a rendition of Don't Cry. And Axl was working on November Rain for years, I remember buying a bootleg CD of demos back in 1989 and it included a nice rendition of November Rain that was just Axl singing and playing the piano (not sure what year it was recorded).
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Could have made one pretty good album out of those two paradigms of mediocrity.
Since the band imploded almost immediately after these albums were released, I'm grateful that we got an extra album.
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I always really dug "So Fine" , "14 Years" and "Yesterdays" especially for the Izzy and Duff vocals on the former two. Neither are great singers, but I love both of their voices.
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Use Your Illusion II came out on 9/17/91 and T2 on 6/3 (wide release) and the soundtrack itself on 7/1. So it was only a few months.
Back when many bands used to essentially put out an album every year, three months is long time. Anyway, the point was that we had heard You Could Be Mine months before the album release and I would have been very bummed had they not included that song on one of the two albums. Just like Civil War.
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Back when many bands used to essentially put out an album every year, three months is long time. Anyway, the point was that we had heard You Could Be Mine months before the album release and I would have been very bummed had they not included that song on one of the two albums. Just like Civil War.
Yes, in the 60s or even the 70s maybe, but this was much, much, much later. I don't mean to be insulting at all, but your sense of time is very strange. For example, you refer/insinuate to the 2-3 months between the release of the single and the album as a lengthy period of time but then compare 20 years earlier as almost contemporaneous to the GNR era. Just sort of weird to me.
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Yes, in the 60s or even the 70s maybe, but this was much, much, much later.
Many bands I listened to were still releasing albums on that schedule at that point.
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