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Old 10-19-16, 11:18 AM
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I guess Joy Division and The Damned will have to wait, again.
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Old 10-19-16, 06:59 PM
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No love for J. Geils Band??? Great Rock and R&B Band, especially their stuff from 1970-1980 (Not a fan of their most popular album Freeze Frame).

Blow You Face Out one of my favorite Live albums of all time. Was too young to see them in their prime, but have seen them live 4 times since the late 1990's and they never disappoint.
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Old 10-19-16, 08:35 PM
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Re: 2017 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Kraftwerk
Journey
Depeche Mode
Chic
Pearl Jam

Chic is pretty much Nile Rodgers, who belongs in there.

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Old 10-19-16, 09:28 PM
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Huh, Kraftwerk or Depeche Mode.

I love them both, but it's a tough call. IMO, Kraftwerk were MUCH more influential on other artists and music in general, but I think DM were much better songwriters and have a superior body of work.
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Old 10-19-16, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveNinja View Post
Janes Addiction were a major part of the early 90s alternative music. They (or at least the singer) started Lolapolooza.
Trouser Press published a review of their first record right before they blew up (as much as JA "blew up") and excoriated them. Much later, they had to review Porno for Pyros. I expected a walk-back on their original Jane's Addiction review, especially when the review began with lavish praise of Perry Farrell and Lolapalooza. But after all the praise, they then stated "none of this success and influence excuses the pure shittiness of his music"

So I like that Trouser Press at least stuck to their guns even after the band found success...
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Old 10-20-16, 11:03 AM
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Re: 2017 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Bad Brains
ELO
Kraftwerk
The Cars
Yes
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Old 10-20-16, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dex14 View Post
Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
The J. Geils Band
Janes Addiction
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Journey
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur
Yes

https://www.rockhall.com/vote
Wait a minute. Bad Brains? Are the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag in? I don't think so. If not, the Bad Brains have no business being on this list. It's kind of insulting.

I voted for Kraftwerk, ELO, The Cars, and Yes. I had trouble picking a 5th but selected The Zombies because Odyssey and Oracle is one of the greatest albums of all time.

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Old 10-20-16, 11:24 AM
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It would be a travesty if Depeche Mode got inducted before The Cure or The Smiths. I find them whiny and monotonous.
Strongly concur. Who makes these decisions? Its insane.

(But then I believe The Smiths were one of the greatest bands of all time.)
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Old 10-20-16, 11:31 AM
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Wait a minute. Bad Brains? Are the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag in? I don't think so. If not, the Bad Brains have no business being on this list. It's kind of insulting.
As a fan of all 3, I disagree. Even though BB are the godfathers of hardcore punk, their musical talent transcends the genre.

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Old 10-20-16, 07:03 PM
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Every year I ask:
Why isn't Kraftwerk already in? Massive influences.
Why is Journey even on the list? The godfathers of glossy, soulless rock. The progenitors of the worst characteristics of hair bands.
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Old 10-20-16, 09:16 PM
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If the Bad Brains get in I wonder if there will be a shitstorm over their anti-gay songs and views.
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Old 10-21-16, 09:23 AM
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Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.
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Old 10-21-16, 09:41 AM
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If the Bad Brains get in I wonder if there will be a shitstorm over their anti-gay songs and views.
I highly doubt they will get in. Who knows if that incident with the Big Boys or that one song (which they both regret and apologized for) will have any effect. I don't remember anyone protesting Guns N' Roses' induction for writing the racist/homophobic song One in a Million which was even covered by neo-Nazi/white supremacist Ian Stuart of Skrewdriver.
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Every year I ask:
Why isn't Kraftwerk already in? Massive influences.
Why is Journey even on the list? The godfathers of glossy, soulless rock. The progenitors of the worst characteristics of hair bands.
It's hard to deny their success though, and the hall is in the business of rewarding success as well as being influential it seems.

I know Journey is very "cotton candy", but I've never really felt they were soulless. They did what they did very well.
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Old 10-21-16, 01:06 PM
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I can't take the RNR HOF too seriously anymore, as these guys have never been nominated:

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Old 10-21-16, 02:04 PM
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The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.
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Old 10-21-16, 03:29 PM
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Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.
I keep forgetting about them because I forget that they aren't already in!

Most people don't know how hugely successful they were, and how influential they were. Beyond that they were merely brilliant, musically...

Tull, Maiden, Ronnie James Dio, Priest, etc not even nominated - WTF???
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Old 10-21-16, 03:42 PM
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Maybe Tull's exclusion is karma for stealing the best metal Grammy from Metallica.
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Old 10-21-16, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo View Post
Maybe Tull's exclusion is karma for stealing the best metal Grammy from Metallica.


But seriously, it could be just how few really great albums they had. I have enjoyed their work past 1980, but most do not.
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Old 10-21-16, 04:12 PM
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But seriously, it could be just how few really great albums they had. I have enjoyed their work past 1980, but most do not.
They've got a ton of great albums. Their worst albums are merely good...
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Old 10-21-16, 04:36 PM
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The ones that mystify me why they don't at least appear on the ballot:

Johnny Winter
T Rex or as Marc Bolan
Mott the Hoople
Grand Funk Railroad
The Guess Who
The Faces

Is Canned Heat in?
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Old 10-21-16, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hdnmickey View Post
The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.
yep, and the title track to Escape (never a single) is even one of the best tracks ... I would assume Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith will be the accepting inductees .... hope Gregg Rolie is recognized

this guy, not so much


don't know why people take this stuff so personally
Journey has a place in this institution just as I believe Rush and Kiss did and the Replacements still do as well as other acts I may not care for
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Old 10-21-16, 07:01 PM
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yep, and the title track to Escape (never a single) is even one of the best tracks ... I would assume Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith will be the accepting inductees .... hope Gregg Rolie is recognized
I hope Perry can find a way to be part of it, possibly even performing at the ceremony if they get in. And given Rollie recently worked with Schon again on Santana IV, there is hope for him as well. Would love to see a "Captured" repeat of Feeling That Way/Anytime along with Wheel In The Sky and Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' (if Rollie is included)
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Originally Posted by musick View Post
this guy, not so much
Didn't know Clarence Clemons knew how to play bass.
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Originally Posted by hdnmickey View Post
The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.
Is there a popular backlash against Journey? I thought it was just me.

I'm not a fan of hip-hop, but hip-hop in the 1980s and 1990s was exciting and creative, and it went places music had never gone before. It changed popular music around the world. It doesn't matter to me that I'm not a fan, I'd say that the first generations of hip-hop acts definitely belong in the HOF.
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