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Old 11-18-14, 09:58 AM
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The best drum solo is by Brian Downey of Thin Lizzy.

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Old 11-18-14, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
No, if you know the definition of "overrated". It means achieving critical acclaim, irrespective of commercial success or lack thereof. As I qualified above, I don't know what the critical reception was in the 1970s, but I bought the re-released albums 10 years ago based solely on critical hosannas, and was terribly disappointed at the not-great music.

Anyway, no need to get so worked up. It's your favourite band. Fine. I didn't say I hated them, not that it would matter if I did. I like some of their music, but shrieking adulation such as yours leaves me completely mystified. Let's leave it at that.
They have two really great pop albums and a third that is so morose it's a chore to get through.

I have a couple power pop albums in my collection that are overlooked as well that deserve the same revival based acclaim as Radio City and #1 Record.

The Shoes - Present Tense
Dwight Twilley Band - Twilley Don't Mind
Rasberries -Starting Over
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Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music

Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
No, if you know the definition of "overrated". It means achieving critical acclaim, irrespective of commercial success or lack thereof. As I qualified above, I don't know what the critical reception was in the 1970s, but I bought the re-released albums 10 years ago based solely on critical hosannas, and was terribly disappointed at the not-great music.
Ok, so you've changed your point. I'm not arguing whether or not the band is overrated. I have no strong feelings one way or the other on that matter. I'm simply pointing out that it's IRONIC that a band that was slighted their entire career is now seen as "overrated". That is the definition of irony.

Anyway, no need to get so worked up. It's your favourite band. Fine. I didn't say I hated them, not that it would matter if I did. I like some of their music, but shrieking adulation such as yours leaves me completely mystified. Let's leave it at that.
1. You have me confused with Wendersfan. I never said they're my favorite band.
2. I never said anything about having "shrieking adulation" for the band. This is not only wrong, it's also sort of an obnoxious way to put it. I like them a bit. I can see how some people might think they're overrated, I don't personally agree. I guess. Haven't really thought about it.

I'm not worked up, I objected to you saying that I didn't understand the meaning of the word "irony".
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And that one Replacements song about them, is far better than anything Big Star ever did themselves. (would that be non-Morissette irony?)
See above. Not going to enter into an argument on the relative worth of the band's music.
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Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music

Originally Posted by covenant
Big Star? Never heard of them and I grew up in the 70s. Why the sudden resurgence?
Are you familiar with That '70s Show?

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The opening theme is a cover of the only good song Big Star ever did.

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Bold Statement: Little Feat blows Big Star away.
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Big Star is a nearly perfect pop record. The Ballad of El Goodo is one of the greatest songs ever written.



As someone that grew up with The Replacements, nothing they ever wrote was as good as Big Star. Well, maybe that incredible masterpiece, Gary's Got a Boner.

Bold Statement: The Replacements were overrated - especially Let It Be.

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
Bold Statement: Little Feat blows Big Star away.


Joni Mitchell blows away Little Feat. (I'm not seeing the connection either.)

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Originally Posted by covenant
Big Star? Never heard of them and I grew up in the 70s. Why the sudden resurgence?
Why the sudden resurgence of Nick Drake? Brilliance.
Why the sudden resurgence of Townes Van Zandt? Brilliance.

We can look back and find those bands that their greatness was mired in obscurity. To this day, I cannot fathom how Nick Drake's records weren't universally hailed.
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I'd say the reason is their music was thrust into the commercial spotlight. Nick Drake in the Volkswagon commercial in 1999 and then The Royal Tenenbaums.
Townes Van Zandt starting in 1998 with The Big Lebowski, and then Stepmom, Six Feet Under, In Bruges, Crazy Heart, Leaves of Grass, Seven Psychopaths, Deadwood, Breaking Bad and True Detective.
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Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music

Longish, so I'll spoilerize for those who aren't interested in the tangential power pop discussion:

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Originally Posted by cungar
They have two really great pop albums and a third that is so morose it's a chore to get through.
I agree that Third/Sister Lovers is awfully morose, but I think it has several good songs on it, such as "Thank You, Friends", "Stroke it, Noel", "Blue Moon", and "Nature Boy".
I have a couple power pop albums in my collection that are overlooked as well that deserve the same revival based acclaim as Radio City and #1 Record.
The Shoes - Present Tense
Dwight Twilley Band - Twilley Don't Mind
Rasberries -Starting Over
Damned right! Present Tense is, in my opinion, one of the very best power pop albums in existence, and "Now and Then", from that album, is one of the very best power pop songs. I also love Shoes's 1989 Stolen Wishes, even though it's a departure from their guitar-heavy signature into more synth-driven stylings, and can hardly even be regarded as power pop. "I'll Follow You" and "Inside of You" are among their best songs.
I like Twilley as well, though his ever-reverberating vocals can get on one's nerves. After a while, all his songs sound the same. I actually think his latter-day album, The Luck, is his best work. I know all of his old albums, but haven't heard anything since 47 Moons. My favourite song of his is "Perfect World" from the outtakes album, Between the Cracks.
As for The Raspbs, the best-known group of the three, I am somewhat ignorant. I have a compilation album of theirs, but I never delved further.

Other power pop albums I think are among the best I have heard include, The Searchers's 1979 self-titled album and 1981's Love's Melodies. Some of the most polished musicianship I've ever heard, even though most of the songs were written by others; Marshal Crenshaw's self-titled debut, with the superb "Cynical Girl", one of the most glittering and infectious songs ever recorded; Richard X. Heyman's brilliant opening trio of albums, though I think his best song is the astounding, propulsive "World of Indifference" (check it out on Spotify) from the album Heyman, Hoosier, and Herman.
Not albums, but a few of the outstanding power pop songs, I think, are The Plimsouls's "How Long Will it Take?", "Now", and "Magic Touch" (most people cite "Million Miles Away", but it doesn't do much for me); The Records's "Starry Eyes", a standard; overlooked band The Rubinoos's "Drivin' Music" and "Amnesia"; Bram Tchaikovsky's classic, "Girl of My Dreams".

Originally Posted by Hiro11
I'm simply pointing out that it's IRONIC that a band that was slighted their entire career is now seen as "overrated". That is the definition of irony.
Yes, but was the band critically slighted its entire career? I don't know that. That's where my "overrated" and your "ironic" don't jibe. I know it had no commercial success until decades after its dissolution.
1. You have me confused with Wendersfan. I never said they're my favorite band.
2. I never said anything about having "shrieking adulation" for the band. This is not only wrong, it's also sort of an obnoxious way to put it. I like them a bit. I can see how some people might think they're overrated, I don't personally agree. I guess. Haven't really thought about it.

I'm not worked up, I objected to you saying that I didn't understand the meaning of the word "irony".
OK, peace. Your previous reply came across as shrill and belligerent, which is why I used the phrase "shrieking adulation".
Just to be clear, we are all simply expressing opinions here. I say things people strongly disagree with, as does everyone. If people absolutely adore Big Star, why would that bother me? I respect that. I don't mind, just as I don't mind if someone thinks my favourite band or song is merely middling or crap. It's simply a difference of opinion.
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'heaven and hell' is the best sabbath record and 'lonely is the word' is their best song ever.

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the scorpions were the best of the 70's metal bands and are always overlooked as one of the originators of metal music.

edit to add: i only mean their 70's music, they had some pretty heavy songs, but by the 80's their music was pretty much just considered hard rock.

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Originally Posted by chino77
'heaven and hell' is the best sabbath record and 'lonely is the world' is their best song ever.
Lonely Is The Word is even better.
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Originally Posted by chino77
'heaven and hell' is the best sabbath record and 'lonely is the world' is their best song ever.
I can agree with the first statement, but I'd choose Falling off the Edge of the World from Mob Rules for best song.
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Originally Posted by cdollaz
Lonely Is The Word is even better.
lol oops...not sure how i made that typo. anyways fixed.
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Lorde's "Pure Heroine" is a better pop album than any album ever released by Madonna.
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Originally Posted by covenant
I'd say the reason is their music was thrust into the commercial spotlight. Nick Drake in the Volkswagon commercial in 1999 and then The Royal Tenenbaums.
Townes Van Zandt starting in 1998 with The Big Lebowski, and then Stepmom, Six Feet Under, In Bruges, Crazy Heart, Leaves of Grass, Seven Psychopaths, Deadwood, Breaking Bad and True Detective.
Well, sure, you point to places where the music appeared during the artists resurgence, not necessarily the cause of the resurgence. Fruit Tree came out well before 1999.
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Lorde's "Pure Heroine" is a better pop album than any album ever released by Madonna.
I would respectfully disagree.
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Pornography is the best album by The Cure.
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New Order > Joy Division
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New Order > Joy Division
Not bold.
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Originally Posted by chino77
'heaven and hell' is the best sabbath record and 'lonely is the word' is their best song ever.
It's kind of hard to argue with "Sabotage".
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"Hand of Doom"
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Piano Man is a glorified Seasons in the Sun.
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A bold statement...

A person's taste in music is inversely proportional to how loudly they play it.
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Here's a bold statement.

No one has had more of an impact on modern music than the Beatles. After them, there have been several great influencers, for better or for worse. And among the greatest are Kate Bush and Tori Amos.

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