Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfunkel
In July, 1965, Bob Dylan released the single Like A Rolling Stone, and his fans were horrified! Once, when he tried it out onstage, his fans boo'ed him off the stage.
It took quite an effect, and popular music was never the same thereafter (or something)..... Simon & Garfunkel were folk music guys, too, and they released their album Wednesday Morning 3 AM which contained a song called The Sound of Silence. In September, 1965, the song was remixed with electric guitars and drums without Paul Simon's knowledge, and was re-released. By January, 1966, it became a No.1 hit. But, there was no scream from their folk fans - at least not that has been well documented. Could it be that, between the time of Dylan's July release and Simon & Garfunkel's September release, folk fans got used to the idea of "going electric?" |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Simon and Garfunkel never recorded anything remotely as hard rocking as the stuff on Bringing it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited. Comparing Sounds of Silence with Like a Rolling Stone or Maggie's Farm is like comparing The Ace of Spades by Motorhead with Rainy Days and Mondays by the Carpenters.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 11410443)
Simon and Garfunkel never recorded anything remotely as hard rocking as the stuff on Bringing it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited. Comparing Sounds of Silence with Like a Rolling Stone or Maggie's Farm is like comparing The Ace of Spades by Motorhead with Rainy Days and Mondays by the Carpenters.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Seriously if you don't hear the difference between the Sounds of Silence and Highway 61, you're not listening. It's not relative. S of S is mid tempo folk strumming with a backbeat. Highway 61 is pure rock and roll with no relationship to folk music. It has kick, it has attitude and it rocks.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 11410467)
Seriously if you don't hear the difference between the Sounds of Silence and Highway 61, you're not listening. It's not relative. S of S is mid tempo folk strumming with a backbeat. Highway 61 is pure rock and roll with no relationship to folk music. It has kick, it has attitude and it rocks.
Like, the fans of Simon & Garfunkel liked the soft acoustic sounds they made on their records. They were happy the way things were, I'm sure! But then someone - unrelated to the band, mind you - comes along and adds electricity to Sound of Silence....yet their fan base didn't complain. They didn't complain. That's the point I'm trying to make here. Dylan's fans complained, and it don't necessarily matter that they complained because Dylan's music was much harder! They complained because it wasn't acoustic. They complained because it was different, it wasn't the Bob Dylan they were used to. Same difference here. |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Dylan showed up at the Newport Folk Festival and smashed out a seriously wacked-out, loud, electrified, distorted and psychedelic version of "Maggie's Farm", a non-political and frankly anti-folk song. He deliberately was breaking with his protest-song "Blowing in the Wind" past, a process he'd already started with "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall". The crowd felt challenged. Terrible sound quality didn't help.
S+G was several years later and never a politically-charged act, more of a pop act with folk overtones. Apples and orangutans. |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by Buttmunker
(Post 11410494)
Of course there's a difference between Sound of Silence and Highway 61. I'm talking about the fans. I'm sure Simon & Garfunkel had different fans than Bob Dylan (or maybe not).....but I'm strictly talking about the fans relative to Simon & Garfunkel and the fans relative to Bob Dylan.
Like, the fans of Simon & Garfunkel liked the soft acoustic sounds they made on their records. They were happy the way things were, I'm sure! But then someone - unrelated to the band, mind you - comes along and adds electricity to Sound of Silence....yet their fan base didn't complain. They didn't complain. That's the point I'm trying to make here. Dylan's fans complained, and it don't necessarily matter that they complained because Dylan's music was much harder! They complained because it wasn't acoustic. They complained because it was different, it wasn't the Bob Dylan they were used to. Same difference here. |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 11410666)
Well if you want to compare audiences, I don't think S&Gs audience were the kind of folk purists that Dylan's were. S&G were more in the pop-folk vein
The Sound of Silence changed that for them, once the electric sound was implemented. Wouldn't you think their beatnik audience woulda cried out "FOUL!" over this? |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by Buttmunker
(Post 11410673)
I don't know - Simon & Garfunkel's pre-1965 music was pretty laid back. They certainly weren't pop-folk because they weren't really charting, and weren't necessarily getting any airplay either. Their audience centered around a certain beatnik crowd, and S&G were not selling millions of records pre-1965.
The Sound of Silence changed that for them, once the electric sound was implemented. Wouldn't you think their beatnik audience woulda cried out "FOUL!" over this? |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Simon and Garfunkel did not release an electric album.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by The Bus
(Post 11411166)
Simon and Garfunkel did not release an electric album.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Dylan was viewed as the voice of a generation and the second coming of Woody Guthrie who was going to rescue the folk movement from obscurity. His songs were co-opted as anthems for the Civil Rights and Peace movements. When he said that all he wanted to be when growing up was Elvis, went electric and moved away from political subject matter, the folk movement went predictably ape-shit.
Simon & Garfunkel were a revamped teenage pop duo (Tom & Jerry, i.e. baby Everly Brothers) who went folk but only had success when a song off their failed first album was rocked up by the producer without their input. No one knew who they were, so why would anyone be outraged? |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by Gerry P.
(Post 11415139)
No one knew who they were, so why would anyone be outraged?
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by Supermallet
(Post 11415198)
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. People cared when Dylan went electric because Dylan mattered to people. Nobody cared when S&G went electric because at the time very few people cared about S&G.
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Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Bob Dylan was just a lot more important to the music scene.
The 1966 "Judas" moment with Dylan is one of those great music incidents that was recorded: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/uEJQWGXFpAU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> And this happened even though Dylan's electric set with the Band (before they were "The Band") was absolutely dynamite in that concert. |
Re: Backlash from Folk fans over Dylan's move to electric..but none for Simon & Garfu
Originally Posted by Gerry P.
(Post 11415139)
Dylan was viewed as the voice of a generation and the second coming of Woody Guthrie who was going to rescue the folk movement from obscurity. His songs were co-opted as anthems for the Civil Rights and Peace movements. When he said that all he wanted to be when growing up was Elvis, went electric and moved away from political subject matter, the folk movement went predictably ape-shit.
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