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wishbone 09-07-10 09:52 PM

Re: New Linkin Park single. 'The Catalyst'
 
Those pranksters, they released the remix album first.

Oh... :sad:

Rypro 525 09-08-10 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wishbone (Post 10359224)
Those pranksters, they released the remix album first.

Oh... :sad:

I would jump for joy if that were to be true. I think that may have been the first album i've ever deleted after a first listen.

mdc3000 09-08-10 08:17 AM

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It's not even something I would call an ALBUM, it's more like a cd of ambient noise. I've listened to it twice and out of 15 tracks, I only counted 5 things I would even call SONGS. I know they went a bit softer, less rap rock on Minutes to Midnight and it worked, but this is like that to the power of ten... ridiculous. Usually everything Rick Rubin touches turns to gold, but he touched this one too much and turned it to shit.

Dan 09-08-10 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mdc3000 (Post 10359705)
It's not even something I would call an ALBUM, it's more like a cd of ambient noise. I've listened to it twice and out of 15 tracks, I only counted 5 things I would even call SONGS. I know they went a bit softer, less rap rock on Minutes to Midnight and it worked, but this is like that to the power of ten... ridiculous. Usually everything Rick Rubin touches turns to gold, but he touched this one too much and turned it to shit.

That comment actually makes me want to check it out, despite the fact that the two songs posted in this thread are absolute garbage.

mdc3000 09-08-10 07:42 PM

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I was pretty pissed when I made those comments, just because I read that Shinoda was worried that fans would feel 'betrayed' by the sound while they were experimenting in the studio and Rick Rubin told him not to worry about that kind of stuff...and I think Rubin was wrong. If I were Brad or Phoenix, I'd be pissed off right about now - not much for them to do on this record... but I was probably overly harsh. It is starting to grow on me - there are a few TERRIBLE tracks though but some of the good stuff is REALLY good. Polarizing but I'm not as down as I was after the first few listens.

I do think a few tracks sound like stuff that were Fort Minor/Dead By Sunrise rejects rather than full fledged LP songs. I really hope they can make a transition back to the signature sound eventually - or at least have Mike bring us another great Fort Minor hip hop record instead of more of this.

My Other Self 09-09-10 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mdc3000 (Post 10360833)
I do think a few tracks sound like stuff that were Fort Minor/Dead By Sunrise rejects rather than full fledged LP songs. I really hope they can make a transition back to the signature sound eventually - or at least have Mike bring us another great Fort Minor hip hop record instead of more of this.

Ugh. I was afraid of this.

They had a working formula with Hybrid Theory and Meteora. If it's not broken, why fix it? Unfortunately Fort Minor is on indefinite hiatus. Shinoda has completely been focusing on the last LP record then this one.

Is it better than Minutes to Midnight, though? That CD was garbage. I've listened to it once and never again.

My Other Self 09-10-10 12:28 AM

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Okay I've skimmed through a couple of tracks and I can't form an opinion on it yet but it's very reminiscent of an album by Orgy.

Dan 09-10-10 08:01 AM

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I'm about 2/3 through the album...
This is bad.

Really... bad.

Michael Corvin 09-10-10 08:09 AM

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Listened to the second track above... well 2/3rds of it. That should give you an idea of how I felt about it. :lol:

Tarantino 09-10-10 08:25 AM

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Damn, I was looking forward to this.

Geofferson 09-10-10 10:05 AM

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Saw this posted under the product description for this album on Amazon -- provides some context around the album structure:


'A Thousand Suns'

We were not making an album.

For months, we'd been destroying and rebuilding our band. The experiments that resulted filled the studio hard drive with diverse, abstract sounds. Amorphous echoes, cacophonous samples, and handmade staccato merged into wandering, elusive melody. Each track felt like a hallucination.

We didn't know if any of those unorthodox ideas could be incorporated into a traditional album, but we knew we didn't want our next album to be predictable. Sitting together in the same studio where we made our first album, all six of us voiced a commitment to going out on a limb, to making something truly daring. We asked ourselves: were we all earnestly willing, more than ever before, to abandon the precepts of commercial ambition in pursuit of what we believe to be honest art?

The inclination to begin writing conventional songs for a conventional album came and went. The temptation to adjust our creative vision to fulfill expectations beyond our studio walls yielded to the audacious ambition of what we hoped to achieve as a band. The two years of making 'A Thousand Suns' marked our exhilarating, surrealistic, and often challenging journey into the creative unknown.

On the eve of its completion, this body of work, assembled through unconscious inspiration and unmitigated exertion, has revealed to us notions both stirring and surprising. The album's personified imagery is neither dogma nor political premeditation. The emergent themes and metaphors illuminate a uniquely human story.

'A Thousand Suns' grapples with the personal cycle of pride, destruction, and regret. In life, like in dreams, this sequence is not always linear. And, sometimes, true remorse penetrates the devastating cycle. The hope, of course, springs from the notion that the possibility of change is born in our most harrowing moments.

Enjoy the music.

Linkin Park

Dan 09-10-10 11:12 AM

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pfft. pretentious. ;)

My Other Self 09-10-10 07:14 PM

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Okay well I listened to it three times at work today and it's really grown on me. I had my friend who's also another LP fan listen to it and she hated it all but one or two songs. This won't appeal to everyone but I like ambience/electronica so this really is right up my alley.

It's gonna be a huge disappointment to hardcore LP fans but I dig it. Does seem more like a side project like Reanimation, though.

fuzzbox 09-11-10 05:38 PM

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I've gone through it twice so far, and I kinda like it, but I can also completely understand why someone wouldn't. Especially that someone who's expecting another Hybrid Theory.

Growing up on various prog rock like King Crimson and Pink Floyd, I'm not as turned off by it as a large majority of their fans are likely to be.

It's amazing. Early in their career, people went on and on about how awful and derivative their music was, and now that they've made something completely different, though I still think it sounds like LP (just an older LP) they're still gonna get told how awful their music is.

-jason

Dan1boy 09-13-10 11:18 AM

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Wow, LP fans are gonna have a field day hating on this new record.

It's funny. I both admire and admonish them for it. It took balls.

cungar 09-13-10 11:37 AM

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See this is what happens when band's start thinking they don't actually have to come up with things like decent melodies and lyrics. Thanks hip hop.

Dan 09-13-10 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1boy (Post 10368433)
I both admire and admonish them for it. It took balls.

That sums up exactly how I feel. I mean, I think it's a pretty bad album (for what it is, and not because it's so "non-LP"), but I give them credit for taking their music in a new direction.

Odd as it may sound, I'm curious what their next album will be like. Now that they've managed to go against everyone's expectations of them as a band, it'll be interesting to see what they do next.

Quake1028 09-13-10 02:11 PM

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I like it. It's a lot better than Minutes to Midnight, that's for sure. That record was abysmal.

Tarantino 09-13-10 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cungar (Post 10368464)
See this is what happens when band's start thinking they don't actually have to come up with things like decent melodies and lyrics. Thanks hip hop.

Yeah, blame hip hop. Get out of your comfort zone and actually listen to some hip hop that that isn't made for clubs & then honestly tell me hip hop doesn't have decent melodies & lyrics.

:rolleyes:

Dan 09-13-10 03:24 PM

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Hip Hop doesn't have decent melodies and lyrics. It's all about bitches, gardening, money, cars, emotions, drugs, etc.

mdc3000 09-14-10 03:46 PM

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I've now done a complete 180 on this record... in the last few days I can't get it out of my head. I've been listening to other stuff too but always find myself NEEDING to listen to this record - it's different but I am now loving the majority of it. The dvd with the deluxe edition was pretty disappointing - a lot of great moments but ruined by horrible editing/video effects and feeling like the first 2/3 of a good 'behind the scenes' doc... so I'd say if you are buying it, stick with the standard edition (Unless you can get the deluxe for the same price)...

Quake1028 09-14-10 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SomethingMore (Post 10368903)
Hip Hop doesn't have decent melodies and lyrics. It's all about bitches, gardening, money, cars, emotions, drugs, etc.

-rolleyes-.

Dan 09-14-10 06:02 PM

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psst. Joke. ;)

Rypro 525 09-14-10 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1boy (Post 10368433)
Wow, LP fans are gonna have a field day hating on this new record.

It's funny. I both admire and admonish them for it. It took balls.

I went as far as putting a post on fb saying "rip linkin park 10/16/00-9/14/10" lets just say i got a few asshurt LP posts

My Other Self 09-15-10 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Quake1028 (Post 10368767)
I like it. It's a lot better than Minutes to Midnight, that's for sure. That record was abysmal.

I think it's a definite step in the right direction for them. I don't know what they were doing when they recorded Minutes to Midnight but that's one of the worst rock records in the past 10 years.


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