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Is The Music Industry Failing Rock Fans?

Old 06-23-10, 08:11 AM
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Is The Music Industry Failing Rock Fans?

Lately, I've noticed a new trend occuring on the rock charts. The same bands are appearing not once, twice, but up to three times in the top 50. Bands like Five Finger Death Punch, Alice and Chains and Stone Temple Pilots are hogging at least two slots on the charts.

It makes me feel like the rock genre is just starved for great new talent and songs. Nowdays a big name band can release any crappy song, and it will shoot to the top of the charts simply because they are a big name, and the industry has failed to find other new bands with memorable hits.

A lot of the songs in the top ten are just pure crap, but because the band is a big name, it goes right to the top. You can't tell me that songs like Puddle Of Mudd's "Stoned" will be memorable even a few years from now. And the new Korn song is one of their worst ever. Heck, Metallica can release a song of nothing but wind chimes and it will be in the top 10, guaranteed.
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Old 06-23-10, 08:14 AM
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I haven't looked or cared what's on "the rock charts" since I was a freshman in high school so it's hard to say.
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Old 06-23-10, 08:17 AM
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That's how popular radio works. That's why I don't listen or pay attention to it.
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These days all a person needs is vocal chords to record an album and 99.9% of it sucks ass. Neither my wife nor I can STAND the shit they play over the air, it's all so amateurish and painful to listen to.

The music industry has only itself to blame when it all falls apart. -kd5-
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Old 06-23-10, 08:31 AM
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I haven't cared at all what's on the rock charts either. Never have, never will.
If there's a band or song that I like I will buy it If I don't like it I won't buy it.
it's that's simple. What's #1 or in the top ten or whatever on the charts means nothing.
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Old 06-23-10, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JOE29 View Post
I haven't cared at all what's on the rock charts either. Never have, never will.
If there's a band or song that I like I will buy it If I don't like it I won't buy it.
it's that's simple. What's #1 or in the top ten or whatever on the charts means nothing.
Right on, brutha...
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Old 06-23-10, 08:42 AM
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I haven't cared at all what's on the rock charts either. Never have, never will.
If there's a band or song that I like I will buy it If I don't like it I won't buy it.
it's that's simple. What's #1 or in the top ten or whatever on the charts means nothing.
I use to the charts to discover new music. How are you finding new music then?
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Old 06-23-10, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dvdaddict32 View Post
I use to the charts to discover new music. How are you finding new music then?
KEXP.org
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The Indie Pop Rocks channel at SOMAFM.com

You will need nothing else...
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Old 06-23-10, 08:50 AM
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From the billboard site, the top rock song chart is "The week's most popular alternative, mainstream rock and triple A songs, ranked by radio airplay audience impressions across those formats as measured by Nielson BDS." With Clearchannel controlling so many FM stations it's no wonder the charts are full of corporate crap.

And yes, the music industry is failing rock fans. I miss turning on the radio and not knowing what to expect. It was always more satisfying to hear something new and exciting and wonder what it was rather than spending hours drilling through online forums and band myspace pages.
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Old 06-23-10, 08:52 AM
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It's likely due to the fact that most people are buying/downloading individual songs now and you can have a top 40 album by only selling thousands or tens of thousands of records in a week as opposed to the past when you had to sell tens to hundreds of thousands of records in a week to stay on the charts. That being said, the average pop fan will buy/download a hit song instead of buying an album, where an older rock or metal fan will still buy a cd or download the full album.

I don't think bands like AIC or STP are "hogging" the charts (every STP album has debuted in the top 10), I just think these bands have an old-school fanbase that still buys albums (myself included). Plus, both of those bands have reformed and haven't released an album in years. I do think new buying trends has enabled bands like Five Finger Death Punch to make it to the charts at all. Years ago, I doubt they'd even be there.

I see an even bigger trend with movie soundtracks ruling the charts. If anything is hogging the charts, it's soundtracks. I think that further proves that more and more people prefer songs over albums, which is really what a soundtrack is - a compilation of songs.
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Re: Is The Music Industry Failing Rock Fans?

Let's throw the net wider:

The Music Industry is failing MUSIC fans.
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I don't know about you, but I LIKE listening to the same 3 Foghat songs 24/7.
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I don't know about you, but I LIKE listening to the same 3 Foghat songs 24/7.

3 Foghat songs?
I can only think of two: Fool For The City and Slowride
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Originally Posted by 12thmonkey View Post

3 Foghat songs?
I can only think of two: Fool For The City and Slowride
Well there's always their cover of "I Just Wanna Make Love To You"... but I was counting Slowride twice. Somehow.
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Well there's always their cover of "I Just Wanna Make Love To You"...
Oh yeah - forgot about that one.
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Originally Posted by dvdaddict32 View Post
I use to the charts to discover new music. How are you finding new music then?
Honestly, the "What are you listening to?" threads here on DVDTalk are great. I've discovered a significant number of artists just because people have mentioned them here.

Also, I have a few friends on Facebook whose music tastes I generally trust. When they mention that they're listening to a specific artist, I check them out.

Finally, some artists mention (either on Twitter, or their homepages) what band's they're touring with or even just what they're listening to. Thrice is a good example... when they give news updates, the different band members occasionally include a short list of albums they're listening to.

I think you can also you Slacker and Pandora to listen to artists that are similar to an artist you know you already like.

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Originally Posted by dvdaddict32 View Post
I use to the charts to discover new music. How are you finding new music then?
I'm cool. The new music comes to me.
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I think you can also you Slacker and Pandora to listen to artists that are similar to an artist you know you already like.
Thanks to Pandora, I've found more new music to listen to then ever before. I can't recommend it enough.
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Thanks to Pandora, I've found more new music to listen to then ever before. I can't recommend it enough.
Whenever I put my favorite band, King's X, in Pandora, it only seems to give me STP and Alice in Chains.
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Originally Posted by dvdaddict32 View Post
Whenever I put my favorite band, King's X, in Pandora, it only seems to give me STP and Alice in Chains.
Those bands are great. If they weren't they wouldn't dominate the charts!
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Originally Posted by dvdaddict32 View Post
Whenever I put my favorite band, King's X, in Pandora, it only seems to give me STP and Alice in Chains.
That is why you should use Slacker. The content is better and there are far better controls when you approve or deny things.

Additionally, if you want to find new stuff, I do also suggest the What are you listening to threads and the Wired Playlist Podcast. I can't begin to describe how awesome that podcast truly is compared to other like it.
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I use to the charts to discover new music. How are you finding new music then?
Jesus, the internet has opened up such a huge resource to find new independent music the last place I would turn to is radio. I don't even know what music stations are on in LA.
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That is why you should use Slacker. The content is better and there are far better controls when you approve or deny things.
I'm not touching Slacker with a 10 foot pole. I have an Android phone, and I've read that the Slacker app on that platform likes to wipe memory cards.
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I'm not touching Slacker with a 10 foot pole. I have an Android phone, and I've read that the Slacker app on that platform likes to wipe memory cards.
Not sure how valid that is after doing my own research, but even it did work properly, I feel Slacker works better than Pandora. But that is my personal preference*.

*Full disclosure, I have an iPhone.
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I haven't followed radio in decades. Like many have said, I check forums like this to learn about new bands, music, etc. Sometimes I even do a search for an individual band member on Amazon (say Tony Levin as an example) just to see what other bands they've been associated with, and that helps to broaden the horizons quite a bit (you would see Peter Gabriel, or course, as well as King Crimson, John Lennon, Liquid Tension Experiment, Black Light Syndrome).
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