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Buttmunker 08-24-09 12:38 PM

"PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
http://spin.com/articles/rivers-cuomo-explains-raditude

At the bottom of this article about the new Weezer album "Raditude," there's mention of a deluxe-working-in-progress of the 1996 Weezer album Pinkerton.

This is better news to me than anything new Rivers and Co puts out. Here's what it says in the article:

Weezer is also contemplating a reissue of 1996's Pinkerton, complete with unheard outtakes and demos. "There's a lot of material, but I enjoy the process of going through it all and remembering what that time was like," said Cuomo.

Buttmunker 08-24-09 12:39 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
http://www.buzzgrinder.com/2009/weez...erton-reissue/

Ah, there's more.....

miller_time22 08-24-09 12:43 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
It will be interesting to see if this Deluxe Edition release would include any other unreleased songs/demos, etc. associated with Songs from the Black Hole. I would have to think it would, but am very interested in seeing what the tracklisting for this is. Either way, I'll be picking it up as this is my second favorite Weezer album.

macnorton 08-24-09 02:31 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
This sounds pretty cool. I don't have the first one in deluxe form...might grab both when they are available.

Supermallet 08-24-09 03:53 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
Pinkerton was the last Weezer album I liked, so I would definitely be down for this.

AnonomusBob15 08-24-09 05:25 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
I was very underwhelmed with the Deluxe Blue Album. The demos and live songs are almost unlistenable. I have better bootlegs of live Weezer than that. And all the b-sides were stuff I had anyways.

I hope they put out some good sounding live Pinkerton material on the deluxe. I guess it doesn't really matter since I will get it anyway.

Buttmunker 08-20-10 01:54 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
October 5th!! Almost there...
would love it if there was a studio version of Superfriend (with Matt Sharp and Rachel or Petra) on the 2nd disc..

Mike86 08-20-10 07:56 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
I'm excited for this but why are these Deluxe versions always so fricken expensive? Seriously Amazon has it listed at $29.98. Seems like a lot to fork over for a two disc set to me. Seems like all the Deluxe albums from Geffen cost around that much.

Buttmunker 09-09-10 06:18 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
from Oliver Clothesoff

details on Pinkerton Deluxe and b-side release:

Death To False Metal... A Collection Of Unheard Songs From The Weezer Vault (formerly known as 'Odds And Ends') / Pinkerton Deluxe Edition update...

* Both releases are due out on November 2
* Death To False Metal will have several different exclusive bonus tracks (beyond the main album) available thru different digital and possibly international outlets. You will want to gather them all, as they all are pretty darn cool.
* including the bonus tracks, Death To False Metal's time span of material runs from 1993 to 2008, and includes tracks from the "weezer mystery year" 1998.
* Pinkerton Deluxe will be comprised of 2 discs + a thick photo and text stuffed booklet in a deluxe dual gatefold digipak, and maybe a surprise or two.
* The Super Deluxe edition of Pinkerton has been called off - instead Rivers' Pinkerton Book and Alone 3 will be released as stand alone items. Release dates on those havent been set yet, but Im for now assuming they will be around the same time as P DE.
* a special 7" is being planned that may have a track each from Death To False Metal and Pinkerton Deluxe.
* As far as Pinkerton Deluxe goes, I would love to say "vinyl lovers rejoice!" but at this moment I can only say "vinyl lovers... keep your fingers crossed and pray".

starman9000 09-27-10 08:44 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 

Here is the tracklist for the expanded reissue of "Pinkerton":

DISC ONE

Original Album:

1. Tired Of Sex
2. Getchoo
3. No Other One
4. Why Bother?
5. Across The Sea
6. The Good Life
7. El Scorcho
8. Pink Triangle
9. Falling For You
10. Butterfly

B-Sides and More:

11. You Gave Your Love To Me Softly
12. Devotion
13. The Good Life (Radio Remix)
14. Waiting On You
15. I Just Threw Out The Love Of My Dreams
16. The Good Life (Live and Acoustic)
17. Pink Triangle (Radio Remix)
18. I Swear It's True*
19. Pink Triangle (Live and Acoustic)

DISC TWO

1. You Won't Get With Me Tonight*
2. The Good Life (Live at Y100 Sonic Session)*
3. El Scorcho (Live at Y100 Sonic Session)*
4. Pink Triangle (Live at Y100 Sonic Session)*
5. Why Bother? (Live at Reading Festival 1996)*
6. El Scorcho (Live at Reading Festival 1996)*
7. Pink Triangle (Live at Reading Festival 1996)*
8. The Good Life (Live at X96)
9. El Scorcho (Live and Acoustic)*
10. Across The Sea Piano Noodles*
11. Butterfly (Alternate Take)*
12. Long Time Sunshine*
13. Getting Up And Leaving*
14. Tired Of Sex (Tracking Rough)*
15. Getchoo (Tracking Rough)*
16. Tragic Girl*
http://www.hitfix.com/articles/weeze...panded-reissue



Pumped they are putting I Just Threw Out The Love Of My Dreams on it, that's one of my favorite tracks.

AnonomusBob15 09-27-10 10:51 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
thats a nice roundup of material. Stoked.

starman9000 09-28-10 07:41 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
I don't like how they loaded up the El Scorchos on that 2nd disc.

cdollaz 09-28-10 07:55 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
No Other One is my favorite track on Pinkerton. I was hoping they had some live or demo material of that song. Oh well, at least this seems to be a better package than the blue album deluxe.

Buttmunker 09-28-10 08:15 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
I hate to be the guy who is never satisfied, but I'm not. Where's the studio version of Superfriend?

Why isn't the 2nd Disc Songs from The Black Hole?
3.1 "Blast Off!"
3.2 "You Won't Get with Me Tonight"
3.3 "Who You Callin’ Bitch?"
3.4 "Oh Jonas" (AKA "Maria's Theme")
3.5 "Please Remember"
3.6 "Come to My Pod"
3.7 "Oh No, This Is Not for Me" (AKA "This Is Not for Me")
3.8 "Tired of Sex"
3.9 "Superfriend"
3.10 "She's Had a Girl"
3.11 "Dude, We're Finally Landing" (AKA "Good News!")
3.12 "Now I Finally See"
3.13 "Getchoo" (AKA "Gitchoo")
3.14 "I Just Threw Out the Love of My Dreams"
3.15 "No Other One"
3.16 "Devotion"
3.17 "What Is This I Find?"
3.18 "Longtime Sunshine"

Buttmunker 09-28-10 08:16 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
I know some are included, but...I'm not satisfied. I doubt I'll get this.

Mike86 09-28-10 11:27 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 

Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 10397824)
I know some are included, but...I'm not satisfied. I doubt I'll get this.

Okay up to this point I thought you were a picky Weezer fan but damn you may now be the pickiest Weezer fan I've ever met. You have a complaint about everything now you're complaining about a deluxe edition of an album you liked. What the the hell man this release looks to be pretty packed with good Weezer material that any fan old or new should be satisfied with. What is wrong with this release exactly? It doesn't have the entire Songs From The Black Hole? I don't even know if all (most of) that was actually even finished. Pretty sure that's why up to this point the songs from this supposed "unfinished album" have appeared only in demo form. Besides that point the demos from Songs From The Black Hole have appeared on the Alone albums. Why would you want them released again? That would be a total waste since a lot of material has been available in demo form. You didn't actually expect that they were going to go back and finish an album they abandoned did you?

Mike86 09-28-10 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by starman9000 (Post 10397773)
I don't like how they loaded up the El Scorchos on that 2nd disc.

Meh there's still 22 other extra songs and El Scorcho is a fan favorite. Seems okay to me.

starman9000 09-28-10 11:48 AM

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Oh I don't mind having them, just seems like they could have spread them out more so they weren't all with in a few songs of each other.

Buttmunker 09-28-10 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 10398170)
Okay up to this point I thought you were a picky Weezer fan but damn you may now be the pickiest Weezer fan I've ever met. You have a complaint about everything now you're complaining about a deluxe edition of an album you liked. What the the hell man this release looks to be pretty packed with good Weezer material that any fan old or new should be satisfied with. What is wrong with this release exactly? It doesn't have the entire Songs From The Black Hole? I don't even know if all (most of) that was actually even finished. Pretty sure that's why up to this point the songs from this supposed "unfinished album" have appeared only in demo form. Besides that point the demos from Songs From The Black Hole have appeared on the Alone albums. Why would you want them released again? That would be a total waste since a lot of material has been available in demo form. You didn't actually expect that they were going to go back and finish an album they abandoned did you?

It's not that. It's that I heard that there was a completed version, with Rachel Haden from "That Dog" on backing vocals, as well as Matt Sharp, of Superfriend.

Plus, I'm not a big fan of live music, and there's a lot of live tracks on the 2nd disc.

I'm curious about Longtime Sunshine being unreleased, as well as You Won't Get With Me Tonight (which was released on the Buddyhead compilation Gimme Skelter) and I Swear It's True (which was on the Blue Deluxe album).

Buttmunker 09-28-10 02:37 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
Does anybody know what Tragic Girl is? Has anyone heard of this song thru the "backchannel?"

Buttmunker 09-29-10 10:18 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
Coming December: http://weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.ph...inkerton_Years

Alone III: The Pinkerton Years is a compilation album by Weezer frontman Rivers Cuomo. It will be the third entry in the Alone series following 2007's Alone: The Home Recordings of Rivers Cuomo and 2008's Alone II: The Home Recordings of Rivers Cuomo. The title "Alone III: The Pinkerton Years" comes from a posting by Rivers Cuomo on the weezer.com forums. On the release date of Hurley, during the 98.7 radio event "Breakfast With Weezer", Cuomo stated that Alone III would come out in December 2010 and would contain the rest of the unreleased Songs from the Black Hole.

[edit] Track listing
1.I'm So Lonely
2.Getchoo
3.Lisa
4.Negativland
5.You Gave Your Love To Me Softly
6.When You’re Alone
7.Susanne
8.There Is No Other One
9.Let Me Wash At Your Sink
10.Waiting On You
11.Oh No, This Is Not For Me
12.Tired of Sex
13.She's Had A Girl
14.What Is This I Find?
15.Now I Finally See
16.Longtime Sunshine
17.I'm Lonely On A Saturday Night
18.Oh God I'm Hungry
19.I'm On Fire, You Are A Liar
20.The End of My String
21.I Can't Break Your Heart
22.Money Makes Me Happy
23.My Mind's On You
24.Defeat on the Hill
25.Clarinet Waltz
26.A Glorious Moment

Buttmunker 09-29-10 10:40 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
http://blog.the-king-tom.com/?p=754
Weezer’s Pinkerton Deluxe: Putting The Puzzle Together
November 14, 2009 on 7:07 pm | In The Rock & Other Listening Material | 10 Comments
UPDATE September, 2010: A Japanese Web site posted a possible tracklist, view it here.

February, 2010: There’s an update to this post here.


Back in 2004, Geffen released a deluxe edition of Weezer’s debut album, 1994′s Weezer (the Blue Album). It was a nice two-disc set, with disc one being the album itself and disc two containing the associated B-sides, some demos, live versions and two previously-unheard songs.

Fans enjoyed Blue deluxe, but from the moment it was issued, also started clamoring for a deluxe edition of Blue’s follow-up, 1996′s Pinkerton. And with good reason, as not only does Pinkerton have a number of “how did they leave these off the album” B-sides, but a whole craze devoted to Songs From The Black Hole, discarded material from Pinkerton’s earliest incarnation.

Earlier this year, the band announced that a Pinkerton Deluxe was in the works. Going off of the model of Blue Deluxe, most fans expected a similar two-disc set, with the album on one disc, and disc two containing demos, B-sides, live versions, and if the band was feeling charitable, some unused SFTBH material.

That would have made fans very happy. But earlier this summer, Popular Sounds, a fan blog, claimed much more was on the way for Pinkerton Deluxe:

Coming from an e-mail of vague provinence, I was informed that Pinkerton [Deluxe] will have a total of 43 tracks spanning 2 discs! The source confirmed that Disc 1 is 21 tracks, while Disc 2 is 22 tracks, one of which is a Weezer song no one has ever heard of called “Tragic Girl.” Quick, go look up Rivers’ COR, it ain’t on there. Folks, Pinkerton [Deluxe] is going to be HUGE.

There was a lot of skepticism surrounding these claims. There is no reference to a “Tragic Girl” in either Weezer.com’s Recording History or Rivers Cuomo’s Catalog of Riffs, the two indisputable sources of Weezer and Cuomo’s pre-2005 recording activity. There were some whispers on fan boards that the claims weren’t totally wrong, but the band was quiet about Pinkerton Deluxe, until this week, when the band’s twitter carried the news that the band was in the studio reviewing material for the deluxe album. Adding further intrigue was the confirmation of the Tragic Girl rumor, when without any prompting, Rivers tweeted:

“Tragic Girl” is going to be like “You Know You’re Right” for Pinkerton fans.

With the man behind Weezer confirming the existence of such a song, maybe this 43-track myth has some basis in reality after all.

So other than the ten songs that made up Pinkerton and Tragic Girl, what else will be on those two discs? They have to throw on the official Pinkerton B-sides, Waiting on You, You Gave Your Love To Me Softly, Devotion and I Just Threw Out the Love of My Dreams. A few acoustic versions of Blue and Pinkerton songs also made it as Pinkerton-era B-sides. Another possibility is Getting Up and Leaving, a song the band recorded but never released.

Even adding some of Rivers’ demos of Pinkerton songs, the track count just cracks 20, so it’s likely (if the 43-track item is true) that a number of full-band Songs From the Black Hole will finally make it out of the vaults.

(For those of you who don’t know, Cuomo’s original plan for Weezer’s second album was SFTBH, an ambitious rock opera with a storyline paralleling the band’s rise to fame and life on the road. SFTBH morphed into Pinkerton after the rejection of the rock opera idea, Rivers’ solitary first semester at Harvard and the release of then-bassist Matt Sharp’s first Rentals album).

Some of Cuomo’s original SFTBH demos have made it out on his Alone Series. But fans have never heard the full-band versions, which Weezer recorded in the fall of ’95 before switching to the Pinkerton concept in the winter and spring of 96. Going through the Recording history, the following songs got full-band treatment and have not been officially released:

◦Blast Off!
◦Superfriend
◦Longtime Sunshine
◦Longtime sunshine: Special ‘coda’ version experiment
Additionally, the band rehearsed versions of these and other songs which were never released.



In the later Pinkerton sessions, which took place in the summer of ’96, they also recorded I Swear It’s True (an earlier version of which was released on Blue Deluxe) and the aforementioned Getting Up and Leaving. The band finished these with a different bassist the next summer, but because they were being held for a Pink Triangle retail single which was never released, these versions of these songs are also unheard.

Unlikely to make the album are Rivers’ demos from this era. Most of Rivers’ demos have been held back for his Alone series, and going by the Recording History, it looks as if all the band recorded during this time was the material that comprised Pinkerton.

(Although, as an aside, it would be interesting if Weezer attempted recording two other songs Rivers wrote during this period, Sheila Can Do [It] and Sunshine O, two upbeat songs which Rivers wrote in between Pinkerton favorites The Good Life and Falling For You. Both Sheila and Sunshine (which some fans believe to be about werewolves) were played during Rivers’ solo shows in Boston in 1997, and an excellent version of Sheila Can Do [It] is featured on HOMiE Volume 1, the greatest fan cover album of all time. And neither song seems to fit in the emotional dimension the rest of Pinkerton inhabits).

Some online retailers have posted that Pinkerton Deluxe will go on sale next February, so we should get an idea of the real tracklist sometime soon. Even if it’s not going to be 43 tracks, there’s still a lot out there that fans want to hear and hopefully, we’ll finally get them.

And once Weezer fans figure that out, then speculation can begin as to what will be featured on Weezer’s upcoming rarities album Odds and Ends.

project86 09-29-10 11:52 PM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 
Okay, I'm happy.

Buttmunker 10-01-10 09:08 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 

Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 10400428)
“Tragic Girl” is going to be like “You Know You’re Right” for Pinkerton fans.

Boy, I sure hope not, because I thought Nirvana's "You Know You're Right" was terrible.

Buttmunker 10-01-10 09:42 AM

Re: "PINKERTON" Deluxe CD by WEEZER ... (in the works)
 

Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 10400428)

Going through the Recording history, the following songs got full-band treatment and have not been officially released:

◦Blast Off!
◦Superfriend
◦Longtime Sunshine
◦Longtime sunshine: Special ‘coda’ version experiment
Additionally, the band rehearsed versions of these and other songs which were never released.

I sure hope they decide to add Blast Off! and Superfriend to the tracklist. It's not too late, and a guy can always hope, right? The addition of these two essential tracks would brighten me up. It would make a great release into an extraordinary one! I want to hear Blast Off! and the track that would have normally come right after it. I'm tired of the way it "just ends."


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