The KINKS Appreciate Thread
I’ve known about The Kinks all my life, but I have not known them beyond their biggest hits (Lola, Tired of Waiting for You, All Day and All of The Night, Come Dancing, and A Well Respected Man, for example). But out of curiosity, I decided to “go fishing,” as I often do with unexplored bands, and came up with songs that a) I never heard of; b) absolutely love
Here’s an example: Village Green, Ape Man, Better Things, Victoria, The Village Green Preservation Society, Picture Book, Harry Rag, Animal Farm, Days, Sunny Afternoon, and I’m Not Like Everybody Else Good stuff. Of course, in my expedition, I found more than that, but some I really didn’t like at all, and some were actually sort of embarrassing. What’s your take on this group, which never reached the heights of The Beatles or The Rolling Stones? |
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I love... some of the Kinks. Their early singles were great and their 4 or 5 late 60's/early 70's albums Arthur, Village Green Preservation Society, Something Else, Lola Vs Powerman and Muswell Hillbillies rival the Beatles for songwriting brilliance and great pop performances.
Now after that things get rough. Not a fan of Ray's forays into \music hall wackiness. Preservation, A Soap Opera, Schoolboys in Disgrace etc have their moments but mostly dreck. Sleepwalker and Misfits are both pretty good but after that they just became generic stadium rockers. That said Ray Davies ranks in my top 5 songwriters with Pete Townshend, Elvis Costello, Randy Newman and Bob Dylan. |
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I like them more than the Beatles (easily) and Rolling Stones (just a bit). I like all of their 60s output but beyond that not so much. It's kind of the same thing for The Who and Rolling Stones for me.
a couple favorites apart from the singles: I Need You, I Believed You, Come on Now, All Night Stand, Where Have All the Good Times Gone, Party Line, Lazy Old Sun etc. |
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I grew up hearing all the hits but never really got interested them until I saw them. For something to do one night we went to see them in a small hall(3000 capacity). This was summer of 1980 when Low Budget was getting a lot of airplay. A very young Johnny Cougar opened for them. I was suprised how much they rocked. The live album from that tour "One For The Road" is a favorite live album. Although I like the majority of the early Pye material, the later stuff isn't by bag except for the few really great songs and the rockers.
Other good songs: Superman 20th Century Man Rock and Roll Fantasy Celluloid Heroes Catch Me Now I'm Falling |
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Here's a (somewhat chronological) favorites listing:
Nothin' in the World Can Stop Me From Worryin' 'Bout That Girl Set Me Free Well Respected Man Till The End Of The Day Where Have All The Good Times Gone Dedicated Follower Of Fashion Party Line Rosie Won't You Please Come Home Rainy Day In June Sunny Afternoon I'm Not Like Everybody Else Dead End Street Big Black Smoke Yes Sir, No Sir Shangri-La Plastic Man David Watts Death Of A Clown Harry Rag Tin Soldier Man Love Me 'Til The Sun Shines Waterloo Sunset Strangers Powerman The Village Green Preservation Society Do You Remember Walter Picture Book Johnny Thunder Last Of The Steam Powered Trains Big Sky Village Green 20th Century Man Holiday Alcohol Complicated Life Have a Cuppa Tea Obviously I'm a big fan. The Kinks compete with The Small Faces and The Who in terms of who I consider to be my '2nd favorite band', after Big Star. |
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"Give the People What they Want" is a great album. "Destroyer" is my favorite song on that one.
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Originally Posted by mickey65
(Post 9651913)
"Give the People What they Want" is a great album. "Destroyer" is my favorite song on that one.
You are really missing out if you think this is the best of the Kinks albums. |
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
(Post 9651866)
Here's a (somewhat chronological) favorites listing:
Nothin' in the World Can Stop Me From Worryin' 'Bout That Girl Set Me Free Well Respected Man Till The End Of The Day Where Have All The Good Times Gone Dedicated Follower Of Fashion Party Line Rosie Won't You Please Come Home Rainy Day In June Sunny Afternoon I'm Not Like Everybody Else Dead End Street Big Black Smoke Yes Sir, No Sir Shangri-La Plastic Man David Watts Death Of A Clown Harry Rag Tin Soldier Man Love Me 'Til The Sun Shines Waterloo Sunset Strangers Powerman The Village Green Preservation Society Do You Remember Walter Picture Book Johnny Thunder Last Of The Steam Powered Trains Big Sky Village Green 20th Century Man Holiday Alcohol Complicated Life Have a Cuppa Tea Obviously I'm a big fan. The Kinks compete with The Small Faces and The Who in terms of who I consider to be my '2nd favorite band', after Big Star. |
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I saw Ray Davies do his little solo gig last year. He just ran through a bunch of Kinks stuff (along with a few solo numbers), while telling stories in his charming English manner - it was a fantastic, low-key show. But what struck me was the sheer number of great songs Davies had written - he didn't even get to a lot of my favorites, but it didn't matter because the guy can't write a bad song - good, pure pop/rock songs just flow out of the his ass with seemingly little effort.
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I'll add This Time Tomorrow and Strangers to the songs I like. The Kinks have always been underrated, imo.
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Originally Posted by Geofferson
(Post 9651993)
I'll add This Time Tomorrow and Strangers to the songs I like. The Kinks have always been underrated, imo.
I'd add Get Back in Line |
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Have been listening to This Time Tomorrow and VGPS over and over the past week. Nice to see all these lists.
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Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 9651956)
I liked Destroyer better when it was called Jumping Jack Flash.
You are really missing out if you think this is the best of the Kinks albums. I only have two Kinks albums - GTPWTW and Low Budget. "Catch Me Now I'm Falling" is another great tune. |
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Originally Posted by mickey65
(Post 9652255)
Well, I've never liked "Come Dancing" and "Lola" I'm sick of since it's over-played on the radio.
I only have two Kinks albums - GTPWTW and Low Budget. "Catch Me Now I'm Falling" is another great tune. 1967 Something Else by The Kinks 1968 The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society 1969 Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) 1970 Lola versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part One 1971 Muswell Hillbillies Or at least get the great complilation The Kinks Kronicles You guys are really missing out if you think those albums are even close to the best things the Kinks ever did. |
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
(Post 9651866)
Obviously I'm a big fan. The Kinks compete with The Small Faces and The Who in terms of who I consider to be my '2nd favorite band', after Big Star.
I noticed hardly any songs from the kinks beat/blues era get mentioned though, it always starts with late 60s songs. |
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Originally Posted by statcat
(Post 9652394)
I noticed hardly any songs from the kinks beat/blues era get mentioned though, it always starts with late 60s songs.
Re: The Small Faces - I was listening to selections from Ogden's Nut Gone Flake while walking around at lunch. |
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
(Post 9652542)
For me at least, other than the singles/b-sides, the pre-Face To Face material isn't quite as good, since they did a lot of covers and that wasn't playing to their strength, IMO.
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I love the Kinks, and wenders is correct, Face to Face through Muswell Hilbillies is an amazing run of albums, although I still prefer The Who.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
(Post 9652542)
For me at least, other than the singles/b-sides, the pre-Face To Face material isn't quite as good, since they did a lot of covers and that wasn't playing to their strength, IMO. The Beatles, the Stones, and The Who were all great covers bands. I don't think the same thing applies for The Kinks. Everything from Face To Face through Muswell Hillbillies is a masterpiece, IMO.
Re: The Small Faces - I was listening to selections from Ogden's Nut Gone Flake while walking around at lunch. The early Who covers like Please Please Please are kind of lame in my opinion. It's like Daltrey is trying to sound like James Brown, whereas with Steve Marriott, Steve Winwood, Reg King (of the Action) it works to me because they aren't strictly imitating. |
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Lazy Old Sun is a highly underrated track IMO.
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Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 9651956)
I liked Destroyer better when it was called Jumping Jack Flash.
You are really missing out if you think this is the best of the Kinks albums. I love the Kinks, and I consider Arthur to be one of my favorite albums of all time. |
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One of the amazing things about Ray Davies and the Kinks is their sheer output and longevity in the business. I've followed them for years and years and years and you could pretty much count on them releasing an album/LP/CD each year. Many a time I figured that they had finally burned out and were ready to become an oldies band, but then they would reinvent themselves with new material and ideas. And their live shows were truly entertaining as each year they went out on the road to support their new recordings.
If you want a great overview of the Kinks music, try this: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/sear...ok%2FThe-Kinks But, of course, it's in no way as complete as a Kink fanatic would want it to be. (Several of the Kinks CDs were remastered into the SACD format when SACD was going to be the next big thing.) |
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Originally Posted by statcat
(Post 9654234)
The early Who covers like Please Please Please are kind of lame in my opinion. It's like Daltrey is trying to sound like James Brown, whereas with Steve Marriott, Steve Winwood, Reg King (of the Action) it works to me because they aren't strictly imitating.
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The song Arthur actually has a great "lost" Kinks riff that could have been a decent hit for them, had they released it or played it on the radio! A great find.
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Back in 1996, I got to see the Kinks, the energy that Ray had was awesome. Easily one of the best bands that I have ever seen live.
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The earliest Kinks' show I saw was back in 1974 and Ray was rocking his ass back then. I've never seen a Kinks' show where the performance was "phoned in" and I've seen them in some less than stellar venues.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
(Post 9652542)
Everything from Face To Face through Muswell Hillbillies is a masterpiece, IMO.
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Just got introduced to Village Green Preservation Society this thing is addicting, I listen to it on the way to work, I listen to it while working, I listen to it with headphones while I'm sleeping!
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Originally Posted by nando820
(Post 10640181)
Just got introduced to Village Green Preservation Society this thing is addicting, I listen to it on the way to work, I listen to it while working, I listen to it with headphones while I'm sleeping!
I even love "Phenomenal Cat". I have no idea why. The Kinks are The Village Green Preservation Society >>> Sgt Pepper's and Pet Sounds, COMBINED |
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Speaking of which, any interest an Album by Album thread? Anyone wanna run it?
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Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 9653415)
Even Pete Townshend has said he conseiders Davies a better songwriter than he is.
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Love The Kinks. So underrated in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
(Post 10640944)
Village Green is just one of those albums that defies description. The feel of it alone elevates it to one of the Top 5 greatest albums of the 60s... maybe of all time. It's a concept album in the best sense of the word... no big loud stupid storyline, no bloated conceits, no lumbering bombast, just a warm dedication to the simple pleasures of English pastoral living set to timeless music.
I even love "Phenomenal Cat". I have no idea why. The Kinks are The Village Green Preservation Society >>> Sgt Pepper's and Pet Sounds, COMBINED I never been a huge fan Sgt. Pepper I take Magical Mystery Tour, The White Album and Abbey Road over Sgt Pepper any day. I do love Pet Sounds but Village Green Preservation seems to have more nuances and it feels more real too so that's probably an accurate statement. |
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sure I'd get slack for saying this but even Satanic Majesties Request is more interesting and better than Sgt Pepper in my opinion. It kills me that there's so much great 60s music and people just want to listen to beatles, beatles, beatles over and over.
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Originally Posted by statcat
(Post 10643040)
sure I'd get slack for saying this but even Satanic Majesties Request is more interesting and better than Sgt Pepper in my opinion. It kills me that there's so much great 60s music and people just want to listen to beatles, beatles, beatles over and over.
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Originally Posted by statcat
(Post 10643040)
sure I'd get slack for saying this but even Satanic Majesties Request is more interesting and better than Sgt Pepper in my opinion. It kills me that there's so much great 60s music and people just want to listen to beatles, beatles, beatles over and over.
I'd be willing to bet the 60s music is the most listened to decade of music of all time. And it's not just the Beatles. |
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music journalists, music fans, but it's to be expected since they were the biggest thing back then, unfortunately so many other groups got lost in the shuffle
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
(Post 10640951)
Speaking of which, any interest an Album by Album thread? Anyone wanna run it?
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Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 10643224)
Does it really kill you?
I'd be willing to bet the 60s music is the most listened to decade of music of all time. And it's not just the Beatles. I just find it pretty sad that a lot of music is largely forgotten/ignored and I really disagree that it's the most listened to era. What do you hear mainly on the radio as far as rock music? It's mostly 70s and later. Post a thread here about the yardbirds, pretty things, the action, etc. and watch it sink. A lot of people don't listen to anything in the 60s outside of just extremely popular acts. Hell even Vh1 classic at one time had a 60s music video block but they got rid of that in favor of more metal mania and 80s videos. |
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The Kinks have their own thing, entirely, as do The Beatles, The Who and The Stones. It's unfair to compare them in way that you want to measure who has the better music or better or stronger records (For the record, I do also love The Beatles and The Who and have some respect for the Stones, for some of their music, but I couldn't possibly rank these 4 bands in a poll other than putting the Beatles at #1). They all have different methods of music and record making (Although Shel Talmy produced both The Who and The Kinks for a time), and they all have aspects that stand out in such a characteristic way.
Those early records by The Kinks from 1964-1970 all have this really rough, dry sound that feels so real-Scratchy guitars, scratchy vocals, whether it's "You Really Got Me" or it's VGPS or Arthur. Maybe it was just on the cheap, but sometimes there's just something to that, and it only makes a stronger impression. I didn't really care as much for the records that came later, though I did have a copy of the 1980 live album One For The Road (I always thought they were trying to correct the written-over cover title that Lynryd Skynyrd used for their live album ;)), which, even though their studio music had improved from the mostly non-impressive early 70's and they were enjoying a comeback with Low Budget, doesn't sound as exciting to hear now. |
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