Beatles Remasters Officially Coming 09-09-09
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After much debate - including a bit of time not caring about any of it and planning on ignoring the entire campaign - I ended up over the course of the past few days [thank you street date breakers] with the Mono box and 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' through 'Let It Be' in stereo.
I'm not a particularly big fan of the albums through 'Help!' so the mono mixes will suit me just fine. I'm still torn on 'Rubber Soul' and 'Revolver' - I do love them but the differences in mono vs stereo on those two seem pretty slight from the reviews I read. I've already spent a small fortune on this so I'm holding off...for now. ["Drive My Car" does seem to lack a bit of punch in mono I noticed this morning so it might be worth it...we'll see how the rest of the album goes.]
The first thing I did when I got the mono box yesterday was put on the 'Sgt. Pepper' disc and it was amazing. Even though I do prefer later Beatles I rarely felt the urge to put this one on but the mono mix gave me a whole new outlook on it. Haven't gone through the new stereo disc yet.
Mono vs stereo 'Magical Mystery Tour' is a toss up. The stereo separation on headphones - particularly in the more dense songs such as "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Baby You're A Rich Man" - is annoying to the point of distraction and takes much of the impact away from the songs. "I Am The Walrus" suffers the most with the sudden snap to "fake stereo" halfway through and then the obnoxious continual panning in the song's fade out. However, other tracks are more vibrant and full of life in the remaster - "Your Mother Should Know" and "Penny Lane" especially - and were well worth the upgrade. On the mono disc it's the opposite. Having everything on one track in mono for "Strawberry Fields Forever" especially gives it its punch back and is sounds amazing while the McCartney tracks lack some of the pizazz of the stereo mix. However, there are very noticeable differences in the mixes - "I Am The Walrus" is missing a lot of its percussion in the first half of the track but the song overall is sonically more consistent and it doesn't continually jump channels at the end. It doesn't make it better or worse, just different - and as someone who grew up on the stereo mix the differences are very noticeable. Similarly, "Your Mother Should Know" seems to have more reverb and other effects piled on top of it in mono whereas the new stereo mix is crisp and clear - the former helps it fit in with the album better but the latter is more appropriate for the song itself. So it's a toss up - you kind of need both but neither are perfect.
Not sure what to do about the Past Masters set - the Mono Masters discs sound great and are probably what I'll go back to in the future but they're missing one of my favorite Beatles singles in "The Ballad of John and Yoko"/"Old Brown Shoe". It seems silly to have the entire catalogue bar two songs remastered - the single version of "Let It Be" is so similar to the album I don't really count it - but dropping another $17 for 2 songs when I'm already at well over $300 is hard to swallow.
Maybe I can convince people to get me the missing discs for Christmas - there's so much to go through it's not like I'll be lacking something to listen to until then.
I'm not a particularly big fan of the albums through 'Help!' so the mono mixes will suit me just fine. I'm still torn on 'Rubber Soul' and 'Revolver' - I do love them but the differences in mono vs stereo on those two seem pretty slight from the reviews I read. I've already spent a small fortune on this so I'm holding off...for now. ["Drive My Car" does seem to lack a bit of punch in mono I noticed this morning so it might be worth it...we'll see how the rest of the album goes.]
The first thing I did when I got the mono box yesterday was put on the 'Sgt. Pepper' disc and it was amazing. Even though I do prefer later Beatles I rarely felt the urge to put this one on but the mono mix gave me a whole new outlook on it. Haven't gone through the new stereo disc yet.
Mono vs stereo 'Magical Mystery Tour' is a toss up. The stereo separation on headphones - particularly in the more dense songs such as "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Baby You're A Rich Man" - is annoying to the point of distraction and takes much of the impact away from the songs. "I Am The Walrus" suffers the most with the sudden snap to "fake stereo" halfway through and then the obnoxious continual panning in the song's fade out. However, other tracks are more vibrant and full of life in the remaster - "Your Mother Should Know" and "Penny Lane" especially - and were well worth the upgrade. On the mono disc it's the opposite. Having everything on one track in mono for "Strawberry Fields Forever" especially gives it its punch back and is sounds amazing while the McCartney tracks lack some of the pizazz of the stereo mix. However, there are very noticeable differences in the mixes - "I Am The Walrus" is missing a lot of its percussion in the first half of the track but the song overall is sonically more consistent and it doesn't continually jump channels at the end. It doesn't make it better or worse, just different - and as someone who grew up on the stereo mix the differences are very noticeable. Similarly, "Your Mother Should Know" seems to have more reverb and other effects piled on top of it in mono whereas the new stereo mix is crisp and clear - the former helps it fit in with the album better but the latter is more appropriate for the song itself. So it's a toss up - you kind of need both but neither are perfect.
Not sure what to do about the Past Masters set - the Mono Masters discs sound great and are probably what I'll go back to in the future but they're missing one of my favorite Beatles singles in "The Ballad of John and Yoko"/"Old Brown Shoe". It seems silly to have the entire catalogue bar two songs remastered - the single version of "Let It Be" is so similar to the album I don't really count it - but dropping another $17 for 2 songs when I'm already at well over $300 is hard to swallow.
Maybe I can convince people to get me the missing discs for Christmas - there's so much to go through it's not like I'll be lacking something to listen to until then.
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After debating it over, I went for the stereo box. I'm more of a fan of the later albums and couldn't justify the extra $50 that the mono set costs over stereo. I'm sure I'll be happy either way. Still, we all know that they should have bundled the two versions together. It's unreasonable to expect people to pay twice, at least to me. The rerelease of Pet Sounds that comes with both mono and stereo versions of every track should have been the model here. I know I'm missing out, but my family has to eat and I think this was the best compromise for me.
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i was wondering, from anyone who has heard these early, are the vocals on the stereo mix in the center of the mix, or are they still on either the left or right side depending on the song. Only reason i ask is because the old 87 mixes give me a headache on headphones, and i was going to go to target tomorrow to pick up sgt peppers and rubber soul for now.
Someone on another forum was quite unhappy with the new releases and thought the releases are merely another money grab before remixing the music to strike a better balance between mono and (current stereo) releases. I see his point as more centered vocals and tightening some of the instruments (that sound like they come from far off stage left and right) in some instances would probably make the mono and stereo mixes a moot point for many. That said, if the producers went straight to new mixes from remastered sources there would have been screaming about raping the music versus giving the fans the music as originally accomplished. Nothing's perfect, but I don't think many will be truly unhappy campers with the result (even if it took them long enough).
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After debating it over, I went for the stereo box. I'm more of a fan of the later albums and couldn't justify the extra $50 that the mono set costs over stereo. I'm sure I'll be happy either way. Still, we all know that they should have bundled the two versions together. It's unreasonable to expect people to pay twice, at least to me. The rerelease of Pet Sounds that comes with both mono and stereo versions of every track should have been the model here. I know I'm missing out, but my family has to eat and I think this was the best compromise for me.
Well, you did have to buy it again, but that's beside the point.
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I'm only up to track five on 'Abby Road' but what strikes me the most of the remastering is that it sounds very open - in that the stereo seperation seems very wide - of course I'm listening to this in the car where the front speaker configurement has the sound coming from the left, center and right speakers.
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I picked up ten of the discs at Target (the first one only had one each of five titles, but they're currently refurbishing the store so I should have guessed). I can confirm that the two double discs are $16.99 and that the gift card deal is in their system.
I'm sorely tempted by the mono set, but I can't justify that expense. I'm holding off on PPM, WtB, BfS and YS until I've gone through the stereo discs to decide, but I'll probably skip them since they don't have the same sentimental and musical value for me personally.
So far I've only listened to the White Album's first disc. My car is not the ideal place, but the difference was particularly clear at the high treble and low bass as well as the sense that music wasn't a block of sound, but separate instruments. To my ear, While My Guitar Gently Weeps and the quiet songs were as some reviews have indicated -- like I finally got the wax out of my ears. I've long felt that Gently Weeps felt cluttered and have preferred the demo, some live versions and even a cover over it. This may finally change that.
Anyhow, happy listening. And please stop tempting me to buy the mono box!
I'm sorely tempted by the mono set, but I can't justify that expense. I'm holding off on PPM, WtB, BfS and YS until I've gone through the stereo discs to decide, but I'll probably skip them since they don't have the same sentimental and musical value for me personally.
So far I've only listened to the White Album's first disc. My car is not the ideal place, but the difference was particularly clear at the high treble and low bass as well as the sense that music wasn't a block of sound, but separate instruments. To my ear, While My Guitar Gently Weeps and the quiet songs were as some reviews have indicated -- like I finally got the wax out of my ears. I've long felt that Gently Weeps felt cluttered and have preferred the demo, some live versions and even a cover over it. This may finally change that.
Anyhow, happy listening. And please stop tempting me to buy the mono box!
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My Best Buy had 4 Mono sets in the display (I didn't look around to see if there were more elsewhere). I was surprised there was no fight for them. I was in the store for about 5-10 minutes and there were still 2 left when I checked out.
I had one of those 10% off coupons, too, so not bad...
I had one of those 10% off coupons, too, so not bad...
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I went ahead and bought all the stereos since that price was so nice. Mono box has shipped with my $200 Amazon GC attached. I think my wife will be okay with everything as long as I give her the $35 in Target GCs and dont buy Rock Band. We saw it being played last night at Best Buy. I was hinting around at how neat it looked. She thought it was incredibly stupid.
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Mono vs stereo 'Magical Mystery Tour' is a toss up. The stereo separation on headphones - particularly in the more dense songs such as "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Baby You're A Rich Man" - is annoying to the point of distraction and takes much of the impact away from the songs. "I Am The Walrus" suffers the most with the sudden snap to "fake stereo" halfway through and then the obnoxious continual panning in the song's fade out. However, other tracks are more vibrant and full of life in the remaster - "Your Mother Should Know" and "Penny Lane" especially - and were well worth the upgrade. On the mono disc it's the opposite. Having everything on one track in mono for "Strawberry Fields Forever" especially gives it its punch back and is sounds amazing while the McCartney tracks lack some of the pizazz of the stereo mix. However, there are very noticeable differences in the mixes - "I Am The Walrus" is missing a lot of its percussion in the first half of the track but the song overall is sonically more consistent and it doesn't continually jump channels at the end. It doesn't make it better or worse, just different - and as someone who grew up on the stereo mix the differences are very noticeable. Similarly, "Your Mother Should Know" seems to have more reverb and other effects piled on top of it in mono whereas the new stereo mix is crisp and clear - the former helps it fit in with the album better but the latter is more appropriate for the song itself. So it's a toss up - you kind of need both but neither are perfect.
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Sticker price is $249.99. Sale price is $229.99.
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I just got back from Target and they didn't have a lot of copies. Probably around 15 of the White Album and no more than 4 of anything else, with only a couple of most. I got the last copy of Past Masters.
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And it that why the price is $50 more because it's "limited edition" or because that is the preferred version to "most"?
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Even if they only print 3000 more, I think there will be enough to get into the hands of people that truly want them instead of just flippers after the initial ebay mania of it dies down.
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It has to do with the packaging of each cd. If you have seen any of the authentic Japanese mini lp's you would have an idea of the quality. They truly are exact replicas. They normally seell for $20-$25 each when new. Whether you think cool packaging is worth it or not is up to you.
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It has to do with the packaging of each cd. If you have seen any of the authentic Japanese mini lp's you would have an idea of the quality. They truly are exact replicas. They normally seell for $20-$25 each when new. Whether you think cool packaging is worth it or not is up to you.
A couple forums state that it was originally suppose to be limited to 10,000 copies. But even that is quite unclear.
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Honestly I really wish that we would have been given a choice to buy the mono versions of the albums separately as well. It irritates me a little that the only way I can get the mono versions of the albums are by buying the whole set and paying a premium price and not even getting all the albums. I know its due to the special mini lp packaging that the price is more, but I really don't even care that much about the packaging. I just want the discs. As it is now I just picked up Abbey Road and Let It Be this morning at Target and will probably eventually go back and get the rest as well. I was planning on the mono set but I just don't know if I can justify its cost as much as I'd love to have it.