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Old 05-11-18, 06:04 PM
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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I remember Bill O'Reilly going ape shit over GNR Lies when hosting Inside Edition all those years ago. "Used To Love Her" and "One In A Million" were going to be the downfall of America.

One in a Million could be the theme music for FOX News and the Trump administration.


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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

I like Chinese Democracy, it's much better than it has any right to be given all of the drama around its release and the years and years in development, but it's not really GnR, and I didn't really want to hear any of it on the reunion tour. It's not what I want to hear Slash and Duff play. Asking them to play it is kind of like asking Axl to sing a Velvet Revolver song.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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The LLAS EP was shit to begin with; terrible sound quality. I guess it's nice to have this since it's G N'R's first "release", but it's more of a curiosity than anything else.
It might be shit but my original copy is worth around $200-250 on Ebay these days.
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It might be shit but my original copy is worth around $200-250 on Ebay these days.
Good to know. But, I for one don't like listening to music with terrible audio. I'll suffer through the first half of the Lies CD because I'm a big G n'R fan, but would definitely not pay $200-$250 for the original copy of this LP - in fact, I wouldn't take this if someone gave it to me for free (even if I could sell it for a profit - LOL).

And, it's worth noting there's a lot of crap out there that's worth a lot of money - but it doesn't change the fact that it's still crap. I.e., I'm sure there are VHS tapes & Laserdiscs out there that are worth something - but, that doesn't change the fact that they're shitty home video formats.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Jealous of those who are seeing GnR on their European leg, as Manic Street Preachers, one of my favorites bands, is opening up for them. If you've never seen them live, you're in for a treat!
What's funny is that while MSP didn't start until about 5 years after GnR, their catalog of songs/albums is almost 5x bigger!
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Is it just me, or does it seem like MSP area very bad choice to open for GNR?
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Even though I'm a huge fan, I have never had an interest in seeing G n'R live.

I considered seeing them back in their heyday (late '80's/early '90's). But, at that time I was turned off by true stories of Axl Rose walking out on performances mid-way through (or maybe not even getting mid-way through), throwing tantrums on stage, etc. If I pay good $ to see a band live, I want at least some kind of assurance that they're going to give at least a solid 1 1/2 hour - 2 hour performance. If not, screw them. I'll save myself the trouble, and listen to the CD's of the band - which typically have far superior audio than live performances anyway.

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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Originally Posted by hdnmickey View Post
Is it just me, or does it seem like MSP area very bad choice to open for GNR?
Since they fancied themselves as an "alternative/punk" version of GnR (at least when they fist started), I'd say no. They know exactly who they're playing to, and will play accordingly. And for my money, I'd say James Dean Bradfield, while he's admittedly ripped off a lot of Slash's style and tone at first, might be an even better, more versatile guitar player.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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Even though I'm a huge fan, I have never had an interest in seeing G n'R live.

I considered seeing them back in their heyday (late '80's/early '90's). But, at that time I was turned off by true stories of Axl Rose walking out on performances mid-way through (or maybe not even getting mid-way through), throwing tantrums on stage, etc. If I pay good $ to see a band live, I want at least some kind of assurance that they're going to give at least a solid 1 1/2 hour - 2 hour performance. If not, screw them. I'll save myself the trouble, and listen to the CD's of the band - which typically have far superior audio than live performances anyway.
I was never a big fan, and then hearing what a DB Axl was, my wife first saw them they came on stage at 2:00am, I just soured of them. They are still my wife's favorite and I took her in October for her b-day to see them. They were really good. Time has taken it's toll but it was worth it, at least worth the "cheap" seat prices, no way I would spend the $700++ for the floor seats. The tantrums are gone, there was a show in Dallas that his piano broke and he just laughed it off, years ago he would have tried to shove it into the audience and stormed off the stage.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Have to admit, when this album was first released (can't believe it's been since 2008!!!) didn't like it at all but I will now say there are some pretty great songs on it for sure.
Old 12-23-18, 10:40 PM
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Real good article, wish more people around, were allowed to talk.

The Divisive Legacy & Surprising Future of Guns N' Roses' 'Chinese Democracy'

https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...y-album-legacy
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Great article & good analysis - Thanks for the link. I've liked CD since I first bought this back in Fall '08 (even though I hadn't heard many/any songs from this beforehand). I find the album very interesting & complex, and - as I stated in a previous post - it's my second favorite Gunners album (behind AFD).

However, I know it was a commercial failure at the time. It's too bad it didn't do better sales, but I think a lot of this was because it just came out long after most of The Gunners' original fans had lost interest in the group & their music.

At the time, I thought that making the CD a Best Buy Exclusive was a mistake, given that it severely limited the amount of sales exposure the album received. However, even if it had a wider release, I'm not sure if it would have done much better.

What I didn't realize was that even though they were "working" on this for 14 years, the album probably could have been released much earlier than 2008 - maybe in 1999 or 2000...the article stated that in '99, it was "99% musically done". I suspect that if it had been released earlier, it would have done at least slightly better in sales - maybe.

In any case, even though it took forever to be released...it's amazing that the album is 10 years old this year. I hope it gets more respect/fans as time goes on. Sometimes certain music/movies/books tank when they're first released, but then as they're reevaluated over the years, get a bigger appreciation as time goes by....
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

I believe the album wasn't a huge success because the generation of people who buy music that it was released to have never even heard of Guns N' Roses.

I went to 7-11 the other day for a cup of coffee & the kid behind the counter was wearing a Gn'R T-shirt. I complemented his shirt & he said his girlfriend bought it for him, & asked "what is it, a band?"

Gn'R is my favorite band & I anticipated the release of Chinese Dem like nothing before. I still remember hearing "Better" on the radio for the first time. I couldn't believe I was hearing new Guns material on the radio for the first time in 15 years. I had goosebumps.

Obviously, I picked up the album on it's release day & wasn't too impressed but as time went on the more I listened to it the more I liked it. Now, I can listen to the entire album & always enjoy it but to me, it will always be an Axl Rose solo album.

What do you guys think are the chances of the original Guns line-up getting back in the studio & releasing a new album?
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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What do you guys think are the chances of the original Guns line-up getting back in the studio & releasing a new album?
Not great, but way better than it was a couple years ago.

Unfortunately, even though they're on good terms now, unless they have a real burning desire to write and record an album, it's just not worth their time to do so. Their time is better spent touring. And generally, when artists get older, they don't have as much to say artistically.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

https://www.revolvermag.com/music/ne...ster-you-think

Richard Fortus: "We're going to try and do another record and get it out soon," he said. "The band's so great right now. I think it will happen faster than you think. I sure hope it happens faster than you think."

Fortus also commented on the possibility that a new Guns N' Roses single could be released in 2019: "It could definitely happen."
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Give me Izzy or give me death!

(I honestly think that it's Stradlin who was the secret sauce in GnR's mix that made them special - or rather, a mix of him, Axl and Slash - lose any one of them, no GnR)
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Iím surprised there hasnít been a live album and or DVD/Blu-ray since the reunion.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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Give me Izzy or give me death!

(I honestly think that it's Stradlin who was the secret sauce in GnR's mix that made them special - or rather, a mix of him, Axl and Slash - lose any one of them, no GnR)
I agree with you. It is a shame they could not get the money split even for him to come back into the fold.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Better and Madagascar are great songs. IRS is solid too. It's a decent rock album.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Naw it still blows. I tried to listen to it about 3 months ago.
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Naw it still blows. I tried to listen to it about 3 months ago.
Cool story bro.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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And generally, when artists get older, they don't have as much to say artistically.
I would say this is true for Axl, possibly, the rest of the band, not at all. Slash & Duff have been recording music making albums for years.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

I enjoyed Chinese Democracy and it surpassed my minimal expectations going in.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

Originally Posted by JZ1276 View Post
What do you guys think are the chances of the original Guns line-up getting back in the studio & releasing a new album?
I would have 0 interest in something like this. GNR haven't come out with many albums to begin with, and even so a couple of these aren't that great. So, even though I did like CD - I don't think they should bother coming out with anything else at this point. The band is too old, and it's been way too long since their heyday.
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Re: GUNS N' ROSES: "Chinese Democracy" -11/23/08

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Give me Izzy or give me death!

(I honestly think that it's Stradlin who was the secret sauce in GnR's mix that made them special - or rather, a mix of him, Axl and Slash - lose any one of them, no GnR)
Totally agree, the band sorely needs Izzy in order to really be GNR.

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