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Old 10-17-20, 01:56 AM
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

New Benediction sounds great as well. For some reason that one flew under the radar for me.
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

Originally Posted by beavis69
New Benediction sounds great as well. For some reason that one flew under the radar for me.
I haven't listened to anything from that band since Transcend The Rubicon. I feel bad.
Old 10-19-20, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by asianxcore
I haven't listened to anything from that band since Transcend The Rubicon. I feel bad.
After seeing them at MDF last year I picked up the six cd "Nuclear Blast" years set. Solid discography overall.

Looking forward to new Pallbearer and Undeath this week and Carcass and Thou/Emma next week.
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

MDF will definitely give the inspiration to do that! Hope to attend the festival again some day.

I just finished watching the first weekend of Obituary Livestream Concerts. For this one, they played Slowly We Rot in its entirety. It was awesome.

Looking forward to this weekend where they will be playing Cause of Death in its entirety!
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

Originally Posted by beavis69
After seeing them at MDF last year I picked up the six cd "Nuclear Blast" years set. Solid discography overall.

Looking forward to new Pallbearer and Undeath this week and Carcass and Thou/Emma next week.
Thanks for the reminder of the new Pallbearer. Gotta go order a copy.
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

Originally Posted by asianxcore
MDF will definitely give the inspiration to do that! Hope to attend the festival again some day.
I'm debating getting tickets for next years iteration. The lineup was absolutely sick and I thought I was going to miss out on it (being on deployment most of 2020) but COVID changed all that. Problem is with the way things are looking, I don't see it happening in May of 21 either. Guess with that in mind I can play the wait and see game. Tickets seem to be readily available still for all 4 days so I may make a decision in January.
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

Originally Posted by beavis69
I'm debating getting tickets for next years iteration. The lineup was absolutely sick and I thought I was going to miss out on it (being on deployment most of 2020) but COVID changed all that. Problem is with the way things are looking, I don't see it happening in May of 21 either. Guess with that in mind I can play the wait and see game. Tickets seem to be readily available still for all 4 days so I may make a decision in January.
As long as refunds are easy to get, wouldn't hurt to try. I still have my Weekend Pass for Psycho Las Vegas 2021 but as you mentioned, we'll see if we are out of this shit by August of next year.

The line-ups for MDF are always great each year but I really want to just see Dismember.
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Originally Posted by asianxcore
As long as refunds are easy to get, wouldn't hurt to try. I still have my Weekend Pass for Psycho Las Vegas 2021 but as you mentioned, we'll see if we are out of this shit by August of next year.

The line-ups for MDF are always great each year but I really want to just see Dismember.
Have you been to Psycho Vegas in the past and if so how is it? I'm not a huge fan of Vegas, but my wife is and if could go to a metal festival and get her to the pools in Vegas in one trip, it sounds good to me.
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Originally Posted by beavis69
Have you been to Psycho Vegas in the past and if so how is it? I'm not a huge fan of Vegas, but my wife is and if could go to a metal festival and get her to the pools in Vegas in one trip, it sounds good to me.
Yup! I attended Psycho Las Vegas back in 2016, when it was still at the Hard Rock Hotel.

Everything ran well except for the lines getting into the Pool Stage. Since the hotel held raves and other similar events (where they have to worry about hard drug use), security was being assholes to everyone that went in and out of that area. Checks & pat downs took forever. It was only after everyone complained after Day One, that the Promoters told them to ease up.

I will say watching a ton of bands you enjoy from the comfort of a giant pool in Las Vegas is particularly awesome. I watched The Cosmic Dead and a few other bands from the pool the year that I went.

The Promoters definitely learned a lot from that year, as it was the first year that the Festival was run in Las Vegas, NV. Previously, it was held in a shitty venue in Orange County, CA (which I also attended).

I haven't been since they moved to Mandalay Bay but heard nothing but good things from people who attended.
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Originally Posted by asianxcore
Yup! I attended Psycho Las Vegas back in 2016, when it was still at the Hard Rock Hotel.

Everything ran well except for the lines getting into the Pool Stage. Since the hotel held raves and other similar events (where they have to worry about hard drug use), security was being assholes to everyone that went in and out of that area. Checks & pat downs took forever. It was only after everyone complained after Day One, that the Promoters told them to ease up.

I will say watching a ton of bands you enjoy from the comfort of a giant pool in Las Vegas is particularly awesome. I watched The Cosmic Dead and a few other bands from the pool the year that I went.

The Promoters definitely learned a lot from that year, as it was the first year that the Festival was run in Las Vegas, NV. Previously, it was held in a shitty venue in Orange County, CA (which I also attended).

I haven't been since they moved to Mandalay Bay but heard nothing but good things from people who attended.
I'm not huge on large outdoor festivals (like coachella or bonnaroo), but I loved MDF because it felt like a 4 day festival but in a small club. Psycho seems this way as well and eventually I would like to hit it up. I would also like to go on 70,000 tons of Metal cruise as it seems like an awesome time. I had the chance to go to Wacken or Download when I lived in Italy, but the massive crowds of those festivals turned me off. I like to be near the stage and I just can't see watching a band from so far away.
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Originally Posted by beavis69
I'm not huge on large outdoor festivals (like coachella or bonnaroo), but I loved MDF because it felt like a 4 day festival but in a small club. Psycho seems this way as well and eventually I would like to hit it up. I would also like to go on 70,000 tons of Metal cruise as it seems like an awesome time. I had the chance to go to Wacken or Download when I lived in Italy, but the massive crowds of those festivals turned me off. I like to be near the stage and I just can't see watching a band from so far away.
I don't like large outdoor festivals either, so I feel you on that.

Psycho Las Vegas is definitely setup in a similar way as MDF because of the multiple stages but housed in different places (both indoor & outdoor).

When I attended Psycho Las Vegas in 2016 at the Hard Rock Hotel, there were 3 stages.

One was outdoor near the pool, the other was in a small/medium club inside the casino and the other was at The Joint, their largest indoor venue.

At no point during the endless amount of bands I saw over the weekend, was I not able to be up close to the stage, regardless of which one I choose. The only time my friends & I were farther away, was during Converge & Down because we were tired that day and decided to watch from the seated Balcony.
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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

I dig the new Pallbearer. That is all.
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Originally Posted by stvn1974
I dig the new Pallbearer. That is all.
I just bought a Digital Copy of it. Going to listen to it after I finish up the new Wake EP!

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Code Orange (PA), Jesus Piece (PA), Year of the Knife (DE) & Machine Girl (NY) are playing a Livestream Concert on Halloween.

Tickets are $15.

I'm pretty excited about this as I originally bought tickets for this tour before COVID-19 forced bands to cancel all touring.



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Re: The Official METAL! Thread- Metalcore, Thrash, Progressive, Death, and MORE

Originally Posted by beavis69
You can tell when death metal became the flavor of the month since so many bands changed their sound to get album sells. Which is fine, some of them produced amazing DM albums.
Which particular bands did this "bandwagon hopping", when "death metal" was the flavor of the month? I'm guessing this would have been around 1990 or so, when the Florida death metal thing was at its peak.

The only band I encountered which might have done something like this on vinyl/cd, was stuff like Pestilence. (During the late-1990s and early-mid 2000s, I use to "scavenge" through the $2 bins at record stores searching for metal albums. This was before most record stores closed down entirely, such as Tower). I only heard of them long after they broke up (before they reformed).

The first album "Malleus Maleficarum" sounded like generic mid-1980s thrash. The next album "Consuming Impulse" sounded more like a "death metal" album.


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So many great releases dropped in the last week in the world of heavy music, even outside of Metal.
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This a question for folks who grew up during the 1980s and were into less popular metal type stuff. (ie. Before the internet became popular).

How did you make blind-buys (or semi-blind buys) of less popular metal albums?


For me back in the 1980s, I was largely making vinyl blind-buy decisions from looking at the who the record producer and studio engineer were on a particular album. It was highly variable from label to label. These were the sort of records which were rarely ever mentioned in then-mainstream rock magazines such as Hit Parader, Circus, etc ...

In the case of Metal Blade, I was mainly buying records which had Bill Metoyer as the studio engineer. (Brian Slagel was the producer on almost every Metal Blade release in those days).

For stuff released on other metal indie labels like Combat/Relativity and Megaforce, I was mainly looking for names like Alex Perialas, Carl Canedy, or Randy Burns as producer and/or engineer. (Perialas and Canedy produced/engineered the first few albums from bands like Anthrax, Overkill, etc .... Randy Burns produced/engineered Megadeth's "Peace Sells").

For metal stuff from West Germany (or other places in western/central europe), I was looking for names like Horst Mueller and Harris Johns as producer and/or engineer. (Harris Johns produced/engineered the early albums of bands like Grave Digger and Helloween. Mueller produced the early albums of bands like Running Wild, Celtic Frost, etc ...).

For titles which didn't have these names ^ on the back cover, it was largely a crapshoot. At the time, this was the only way I knew of to cut down the number of (potential) disappointing blind-buys.



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Yeah, my early metal purchases revolved around MTV Headbangers Ball or cool album covers. Some albums would have review sticker on the cover, like a Kirk Hammett quote on the Death Angel debut saying it was the best album he's heard or something like that. I suppose I have gotten some from magazine reviews too. But album cover art got me into bands like Kreator, Destruction, Vio-lence, Voivod among others
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How did you make blind-buys (or semi-blind buys) of less popular metal albums?
A lot of factors, actually.

1) The cover art. If the cover art looked really cool, there was a decent chance that the record was good, too.

2) The shirts bands were wearing. Metallica got me into bands like The Misfits/Samhain, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Faith No More before they became big a few years later.

3) The producers/engineers/labels. Something on a label like Combat, Megaforce, Noise, or Roadracer/Roadrunner was always worth a look. Metal Blade, not so much, as a lot of their roster was kind of cheesy (Bitch, Lizzy Borden, Hallows Eve). And, yeah, seeing familiar names in the credits could always draw attention, as did the occasional blurb or recommendation from other bands you liked.

4) Magazine articles and reviews. A good review went a long way, as did an interesting interview with a band.

5) MTV's Headbanger's Ball. Really the only way to sample new music on a national scale. Between HBB and 120 Minutes, it was like having a nationwide college radio station.

6) Live shows. Sometimes there would be an opening band that caught your attention. I saw the Black Crowes open up for Aerosmith in 1990. "Jealous Again" had been playing a bit on MTV at the time, but they really impressed me when I saw them live. Went out and bought "Shake Your Moneymaker," and loved it. Then they broke big when "Hard to Handle" and "She Talks to Angels" were released as singles.

7) Someone loaning you a tape or copying it off for you.




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Yeah, my early metal purchases revolved around MTV Headbangers Ball or cool album covers.

But album cover art got me into bands like Kreator, Destruction, Vio-lence, Voivod among others
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
A lot of factors, actually.

1) The cover art. If the cover art looked really cool, there was a decent chance that the record was good, too.
Initially the cover art thing was the big thing for me. This was how I first came across stuff like Iron Maiden "The Number of the Beast", Saxon, Motorhead, etc ... without ever hearing them previously.

This criteria stopped working when I came across records from bands like Axe "Nemesis", Molly Hatchet, etc ... which I thought "didn't sound heavy enough" at the time. (As I got older and drifted away from metal, I was listening to stuff like Lynyrd Skynyrd which I later got into the Molly Hatchet records I already had).

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3) The producers/engineers/labels. Something on a label like Combat, Megaforce, Noise, or Roadracer/Roadrunner was always worth a look. Metal Blade, not so much, as a lot of their roster was kind of cheesy (Bitch, Lizzy Borden, Hallows Eve). And, yeah, seeing familiar names in the credits could always draw attention, as did the occasional blurb or recommendation from other bands you liked.
The only label I remember which didn't have many duds was probably Megaforce. I got the impression they concentrated more on the quality of their bands, and not so much on quantity

Combat, Metal Blade and Roadrunner had quite a few duds in their early years. For example in the case of Combat, the only really early stuff I find still listenable is The Rods.

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The only semi-reliable source I had in those days, was listening to college radio stations which had metal shows. I mentioned this in a recent armored saint thread.

Record reviews were almost nonexistent in easily available rock magazines at the time. (The local newstands and record stores didn't carry magazines like Kerrang).


These college radio shows was where I first heard of bands from Metal Blade, Combat, and Megaforce. I heard and subsequently picked up stuff like:

Armored Saint - March of the Saint
Fates Warning - The Spectre Within
Metallica - Ride The Lightning
Anthrax - Spreading The Disease
Anthrax - Fistful of Metal
Helstar - Burning Star
Helstar - Remnants of War
Slayer - Show No Mercy
Slayer - Haunting The Chapel
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Running Wild - Gates to Purgatory
Running Wild - Branded and Exiled
Helloween - (self titled ep)
Helloween - Walls of Jericho
Grave Digger - Heavy Metal Breakdown
Grave Digger - Witch Hunter
Exciter - Violence and Force
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break The Oath
Raven - Stay Hard

In those days, I don't think I would have ever picked up this first batch of vinyl of less popular heavier bands, if I had never heard them on college radio shows.

Especially after buying some Molly Hatchet records, and not really liking them much back then.





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Yeah, Molly Hatchet is almost false advertising. You see the Frank Frazetta covers and think they're going to be metal as fuck, and you listen to the music and it's 70s southern rock that sounds like Skynyrd.

They're not bad in their own right, but when you're twelve and want some metal, and see Death Dealer, you think this going to be some sick-assed shit, and then it sounds like some kind of southern boogie playing in a redneck bar.
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Originally Posted by morriscroy
Which particular bands did this "bandwagon hopping", when "death metal" was the flavor of the month? I'm guessing this would have been around 1990 or so, when the Florida death metal thing was at its peak.

The only band I encountered which might have done something like this on vinyl/cd, was stuff like Pestilence. (During the late-1990s and early-mid 2000s, I use to "scavenge" through the $2 bins at record stores searching for metal albums. This was before most record stores closed down entirely, such as Tower). I only heard of them long after they broke up (before they reformed).

The first album "Malleus Maleficarum" sounded like generic mid-1980s thrash. The next album "Consuming Impulse" sounded more like a "death metal" album.
I can't remember which particular band I was referencing, but yea it was around 92/93 when death metal was at its early peak. Couple bands I've come across started started as death metal bands and then moved on to a more alternative sound. Hell even bigger bands like Entombed dipped their toes in the alternative sound.
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In the case of Pestilence, I'm guessing their thrash->death metal "transition" might very well have been coincidence or happenstance. They were from the Netherlands and nowhere near the Florida scene in 1988 or 1989.

IIRC at the time, the few "death metal" albums already released was stuff like Possessed, Death, Sepultura, Incubus, etc ... In mid-1989, Obituary had just released "Slowly We Rot" and Sepultura had just released "Beneath The Remains". IIRC, the latter were the two albums which kicked off the death metal boom which came a year or so later. It also made these two albums' producer/engineer Scott Burns into the "go to guy" for the Florida death metal scene.

I purchased "Slowly We Rot" on vinyl around that time. I thought it was kinda weak and missing "something" in its sound. Though by then, I wasn't listening to metal as much anymore. (I found a copy of "Beneath the Remains" in the cutout bin and picked it up as an "impulse buy", but never listened to it. It looked like it was a discarded promotional copy from a radio station).

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