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R.I.P. Punk Rock (1977-2007)

Old 11-01-07, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aintnosin
Having just seen the Sex Pistols on the Tonight Show shilling for Guitar Hero 3, I would have to agree.
Is it playing the Tonight Show that's non-punk, or licensing the song to a video game?
Old 11-01-07, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Is it playing the Tonight Show that's non-punk, or licensing the song to a video game?
Shilling for the game is the seriously non-punk. Then again, punk is about thumbing your nose about society's expectations, so maybe it's punk after all.
Old 11-01-07, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aintnosin
Shilling for the game is the seriously non-punk. Then again, punk is about thumbing your nose about society's expectations, so maybe it's punk after all.
There was always a "stick a finger in the establishment's eye" element to punk, but I always thought a better distillation of the punk attitude was "do what you want to do, not what someone else says you should want to do." The Ramones didn't rock because they wanted to stick it to a society that was listening to John Denver and the Captain & Tenille. They rocked because that was the kind of music they liked, and who cares if nobody else was playing it.
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I've said it before. Punk rock is about anger, youth, and rebellion. It isn't any of that if it's the music your Dad listens to on the oldies stations.

You young folks need to go and create your own music.
Old 11-02-07, 02:10 AM
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Punk's not dead. It's just that your average college kids don't listen to Greenday, Good Charlotte or Simple Plan anymore and are too stupid to realize that ain't punk. People who listen to punk rock don't go to college.,...
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There is still plenty of punk rock and hardcore out there. It's just underground.

The guy who wrote that article should come to Indy this (and EVERY) Saturday night for Punk Rock Night at the Melody Inn. Awesome bands every week from all over the country (and sometimes Japan)

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Seeing Dane Cook on Conan wearing a shirt that said "Punk Rock" was..
Old 11-02-07, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by freshticles
People who listen to punk rock don't go to college.,...
Old 11-02-07, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by freshticles
People who listen to punk rock don't go to college.,...
Let's see, in college I listened to The Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Suicidal Tendencies, etc.
Old 11-02-07, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by freshticles
People who listen to punk rock don't go to college.,...
I think someone needs to watch SLC Punk!
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Originally Posted by aintnosin
Having just seen the Sex Pistols on the Tonight Show shilling for Guitar Hero 3, I would have to agree.
I never understood the fascination, adoration, and ultimate crowning of the Sex Pistols as the alpha and omega of Punk. In fact, I think they were fucking horrid, and the declaration that punk died when they broke up (I'm talking general consensus, not just in this thread) is absolutely absurd. The abbreviated history of Punk from the first page of this thread sickened me...no mention of Iggy and the Stooges? (no offense to the poster, I know you pasted from a source)

For what it's worth, Punk is not dead (IMO), and will not die. I see local punk bands all the time that are what it's all about. Perhaps the mainstream, overmarketed shit has left a sour taste in the mouths of the masses, but punk certainly continues by small bands in small clubs all over the world. Then again, when Green Day is considered punk...
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Seeing as this is close to the title

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Linda Stein, a former manager of the Ramones who later became known as "the Realtor for the stars," was found beaten to death in her posh Fifth Avenue apartment, police said Thursday. Star Realtor Linda Stein's client list included Madonna, Sting, Michael Douglas and Angelina Jolie. There was no indication of forced entry when police, responding to a 911 call, found Stein's body late Tuesday night, authorities said.

Stein was formerly married to Seymour Stein, ex-president of Sire Records, according to The Associated Press. It was the Sire label that released records that vaulted the Ramones, Talking Heads and Madonna to fame in the 1970s and '80s.

Stein, a former schoolteacher, co-managed the Ramones with Danny Fields during the band's heyday, AP reported. Many credit her with bringing the Ramones to England for a concert on July 4, 1976, that contributed to the popularity of the punk scene in the UK, according to AP.
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Old 11-02-07, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by freshticles
Punk's not dead.
Damn right! TONS of great punk bands out there. Dillinger Four, The Queers, Screeching Weasel, Lawrence Arms, Zeke, Candy Snatchers, etc... (and those are just the American modern day punk bands; I didn't even mention Australian & Swedish punk bands that are just as good). Like any form of music, sometimes you just have to go out and do more work to discover new bands.

People who listen to punk rock don't go to college.,...
College and college radio is where I found out and learned about punk!

(this belongs in Music Talk by the way)
Old 11-02-07, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by aintnosin
Shilling for the game is the seriously non-punk. Then again, punk is about thumbing your nose about society's expectations, so maybe it's punk after all.

What I found out weird about the Sex Pistols on Leno was they certainly went against my expectations! Before they took the stage, Congressman Ron Paul, who is running for President, was interviewed by Leno. He was saying how government is the problem, how less government is better, we need to get out of Iraq immediately... basically everything that you would think that Johnny Rotten and company would like to hear!

Then the Sex Pistols take the stage and sing "Anarchy For the UK". During the performance, Rotten goes something like "You hear that Ron Paul?!?!" and then turns his ass towards him and slaps it (as in "kiss my ass"). WTF?!?!? Something tells me Rotten's not as thought out about his politics as he's led people to believe. To Paul's credit, he did run up on stage w/ Leno after the performance and shook Rotten's hand.
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Originally Posted by lordzeppelin
For what it's worth, Punk is not dead (IMO), and will not die. I see local punk bands all the time that are what it's all about. Perhaps the mainstream, overmarketed shit has left a sour taste in the mouths of the masses, but punk certainly continues by small bands in small clubs all over the world. Then again, when Green Day is considered punk...
Agreed... The funny thing about Green Day is that they were adored by the underground when their first two albums came out. Then when "Dookie" came out and made it big, the underground turned their backs on them, crying "Sell out!". Green Day responded by saying "We never waved the punk rock flag. We never said we were punk!"

Years later, they put out a great new album ("American Idiot") and are embraced by the kids once again. This time, they're accepted by the underground, and this time they're totally waving the "punk rock flag" and mentioning in all these interviews about "punk rock" and how "punk" they are. I guess when it goes in their favor, they're "punk" and when it doesn't, they're not.
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Originally Posted by lordzeppelin
The abbreviated history of Punk from the first page of this thread sickened me...no mention of Iggy and the Stooges? (no offense to the poster, I know you pasted from a source)
Also no mention of The Damned whose first album was released before The Sex Pistols'.

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Old 11-02-07, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
Agreed... The funny thing about Green Day is that they were adored by the underground when their first two albums came out. Then when "Dookie" came out and made it big, the underground turned their backs on them, crying "Sell out!". Green Day responded by saying "We never waved the punk rock flag. We never said we were punk!"

Years later, they put out a great new album ("American Idiot") and are embraced by the kids once again. This time, they're accepted by the underground, and this time they're totally waving the "punk rock flag" and mentioning in all these interviews about "punk rock" and how "punk" they are. I guess when it goes in their favor, they're "punk" and when it doesn't, they're not.
I havent bought a green day album since Kerplunk nor seen them since they got too big for Gilman. sell outs
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Originally Posted by lordzeppelin
The abbreviated history of Punk from the first page of this thread sickened me...no mention of Iggy and the Stooges? (no offense to the poster, I know you pasted from a source)
It does say abbreviated. IMO, you can't talk about the history of punk and proto-punk without mentioning Iggy, the MC5, and the New York Dolls. On the other hand, when you want to cover 40 years of punk in 8 lines, stuff necessarily gets left out.

I'm not sure what to think of whether punk is dead. I mean, punk was a specific reaction to what was going on in rock music at a specific time. It was an answer to rock that had become overly technical and overly technological, both in the form of progressive bands like Yes or King Crimson, and in the form of hard rock like Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath. The idea behind punk was simple: forget the pretentious arrangements and the complicated guitar solos -- just get in, play the fucking song, and get out.

That message reverbated throughout music, and still reverbates to this day. Granted, punk doesn't still exist in the form the Ramones played it. But even by the time of End of the Century, the Ramones themselves weren't really doing that any more.

There are plenty of bands playing all sorts of rock music that have taken to heart the punk aesthetic of "take the thing down to the basics and keep it there." In that sense, punk is very much alive. The name "punk" came from the idea that this was music that any punk kid could play. You don't need to be Jimmy Page and you don't need to be Steve Howe. You just need to grab a guitar and play some music. And that spirit is still very much alive.
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Punk moved to Japan, with bands like Melt Banana.
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Originally Posted by lordzeppelin
I never understood the fascination, adoration, and ultimate crowning of the Sex Pistols as the alpha and omega of Punk. In fact, I think they were fucking horrid, and the declaration that punk died when they broke up (I'm talking general consensus, not just in this thread) is absolutely absurd. The abbreviated history of Punk from the first page of this thread sickened me...no mention of Iggy and the Stooges? (no offense to the poster, I know you pasted from a source)

For what it's worth, Punk is not dead (IMO), and will not die. I see local punk bands all the time that are what it's all about. Perhaps the mainstream, overmarketed shit has left a sour taste in the mouths of the masses, but punk certainly continues by small bands in small clubs all over the world. Then again, when Green Day is considered punk...
I completely agree with this post.

BTW the Sex Pistols basically said from the start that it was all about the money and they basically wanted to "sell out" I'm not a Sex Pistols fan AT ALL.

There are places even in Ft. Wayne where you can still find cool punk shows, shit "The Murder Junkies" just played here a month ago.
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Originally Posted by 7Keys
Punk is not dead, it just sucks right now. And for the last decade or two.
And soul music and rock music.
The only thing that has gotten better since it's start is country music.
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
What I found out weird about the Sex Pistols on Leno was they certainly went against my expectations! Before they took the stage, Congressman Ron Paul, who is running for President, was interviewed by Leno. He was saying how government is the problem, how less government is better, we need to get out of Iraq immediately... basically everything that you would think that Johnny Rotten and company would like to hear!

Then the Sex Pistols take the stage and sing "Anarchy For the UK". During the performance, Rotten goes something like "You hear that Ron Paul?!?!" and then turns his ass towards him and slaps it (as in "kiss my ass"). WTF?!?!? Something tells me Rotten's not as thought out about his politics as he's led people to believe. To Paul's credit, he did run up on stage w/ Leno after the performance and shook Rotten's hand.
Odds are that the Pistols and Paul were hanging out in the green room and chumming it up and Paul might have even said what a milestone it would be to get a shout-out from the Pistols or something. I wouldn't read much into it.
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Originally Posted by kakihara1
I'm not a Sex Pistols fan AT ALL.
I'm sort of amazed that people who like punk rip on the Pistols. There's a horkin' big reason their debut gets so much praise and it's not all because of hype. I like pretty much all the punk albums from '77 (mainly Wire and The Saints), but to not like "Never Mind The Bollocks" is odd to me.

If we get to define punk in our terms then I'll say that the stuff started back in the 60's. Hell, even the 50's had wacked out thrashy tunes. But I tend to see it with a lot of 60's garage rock.
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Yeah, I agree the term 'punk' doesn't stand up to a lot of scrutiny as far as a clear category. Some of the New York bands that were part of the early 'movement', like Blondie and Talking Heads, were never really punk. And even with the British bands, by 1979 John Lydon, The Clash, Siouxsie and the Banshees, the Slits and others were playing music that couldn't really be classified as punk, IMO. And for me personally, when those bands moved beyond punk, they REALLY got good---punk was a means to an end for them, not the end in itself.
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Punk Rock is not dead.

It's just resting. It's just tired and shagged out after a prolonged mosh.

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