atlantamoi

I think I'd actually like this band had Corgan sounded differently. I like my share of weird or gruff sounding vocalists, but his truly grates on me. Seeing them live did nothing to diminish my feelings. I think the only song I never turn off if it comes on the radio is "1979".

DamingR

I will say this in the nicest way I can muster: you have very bad taste in music if you think Lifehouse is better than Adore. Period.

I am going to assume you haven't listened to Siamese Dream or MCIS. You need to listen to those albums before you can begin to see what Adore is.

I love Pearl Jam, but they have 1/10th the range of catalog that SP has. You can put all their albums on shuffle and it sounds like one big album. SP's albums are very very different and immediately recognizable.

And I would drop the Lifehouse/Incubus comparisons entirely, because comparing pop bands to rock bands with serious musical integrity is a joke.

Buckleyesque

I really dont understand when Incubus and Lifehouse became pop bands. LOL. Seriously?

sk8r1189

I would have to say that I like some of there songs. Though its a bit rediculous around here (Northern Jersey), everyone is either a fan, and hates the new stuff; or a poseur and "loves all the albums they are my fav band." Its like the whole Nirvana thing all over again. In my opinion, I find them to be a bit over-rated. I would have to go with bands like Incubus, Disturbed, Pantera, Helmet, Queens of the Stone Age, etc.

DVD Josh

I don't agree that you should, but before I had a MP3 stereo in my car, I did make a one disc mix. I love the album as is, but for academic purposes, it had:


1. "Tonight, Tonight" – 4:14
2. "Zero" – 2:41
3. "Here Is No Why" – 3:45
4. "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" – 4:18
5. "To Forgive" – 4:17
6. "Fuck You (An Ode To No One)" – 4:51
7. "Galapogos" – 4:47
8. "Muzzle" – 3:44
9. "Where Boys Fear to Tread" – 4:22
10. "Bodies" – 4:12
11. "Thirty-Three" – 4:10
12. "1979" – 4:25
13. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" – 7:38
14. "By Starlight"
15. "X.Y.U." – 7:07 (purposely out of order)

I may be off by one or two, this was a long time ago. But the above is probably pretty close.

DVD Josh

I had the chance to speak to Billy after an Adore era show. I told him I loved the live versions of the Adore songs and what did he think about fan reaction to the album versions. I then asked him to respond to the challenge that if Adore had the live versions instead of the album versions it would have sold better and he damn near tore my head off. I love him anyway.

argh923

In a word....no.

DRG

Melon Collie and earlier - Awesome, feature some of my favorite songs ever.
Adore and after - Ranges from so-so to barely listenable... a huge dropoff in quality.

But I strongly dislike Incubus and Lifehouse... "Drive" is one of my least favorite songs ever. And "You and Me" makes me want to punch someone.

UAIOE

There are a few songs I like on Adore (not "Perfect" or "Ava Adore"), but it dropped off my "most disliked" list after that pile of over-processing called "Machina". I don't hate "Adore", I did revisit it later and find a few songs I really liked.


P.S. The only Incubus song I really like is "Wish You Were Here".

astrochimp

If you looked at the entire SP history i would say they are not great but from Gish to Mellon Collie they are,or were great.

superdeluxe

The pumpkins are one of the few bands that explore its musical boundries. None of the albums sound like another. Even SD and MCIS are different.

Hollowgen

In two words... never were.

DVD Josh

In three words: Hollowgen is wrong.

chino77

in four words....dvd josh is right.

cdollaz

In five words...I can't count.

mndtrp

Eh, that's what I meant. I'm not sure why I typed Gish.

woofman

Siamese Dream was cream of the crop for me. I discovered them when Gish came out and instantly fell in love. They totally meshed the boundaries between the mellower "alternative" music at the time, and hard shredding rock/metal. They caught me with those killer riffs & and jazzy fills, but kept me with the soaring choruses. Then when SD came out, like a freight train out of distortionville, they completely destroyed me. The one CD that never left my side, in the car or the house, headphones on, eyes closed, that CD took me places I've never been since. I've yet to hear anything quite as thunderously anthemic as the tracks on that classic-IMHO of course. :-) and they delivered the goods on that tour as well-fo sho.

LiquidSky

I love gish and it's their only CD I still own.

Arpeggi

Siamese Dream is their only great album and it's only great because Billy did a good job of ripping off My Bloody Valentine.

Their other albums have some good songs, that's about it.

starseed1981

He didn't do a good job, he did a GREAT job.

Y2J850

If the Smashing Pumpkins are "not really THAT Great?", what is everyones opinions on new bands that have come out after the Pumpkins? IMO The amount of quality "rock" music as of late seems to be very very low. Sure there are some good ones(Queen of the stone age,Mars Volta , System of a Down,Symphony X). But almost all of the post Grunge era rock music - pop-punk-nuMetal-emo is pretty crappy IMO.

And Lifehouse is a rockband? Don't get me wrong there not bad ..but just like The Goo Goo Dolls or Matchbox 20 ..I don't think you would consider them "rock".

superdeluxe

Mellin Collie was pure genius.

Flynn

The Pumpkins are fantastic. How else can you explain a lead singer that sounds like THAT making it? Their shoe-gaze/goth/metal was unlike any other music on the radio at the time, and didn't fit in with all the grunge wannabes who churned out song after forgettable song once Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden dropped the gauntlet.

Corgan's ear for melody, harmonics and FUZZ is unmatched, and their first three albums are masterpieces.

UAIOE

You could argue that Goo Goo Dolls were rock prior to the style change they did after "Name" hit it big.

DVD Josh

Much closer to punk.