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Old 08-09-04, 08:05 PM
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Why are all the greatest rock bands....

.... British?

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AC/DC are not British
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Rush are not British



Seriously while storm chasing I was talking with a couple Brits and this came up, a shitload of good bands have came from England:

Beatles
The Who
Jethro Tull
Yes
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Yardbirds
Radiohead
David Bowie
Chemical Brothers
Prodigy
Kinks
Bee Gees
Pink Floyd
Rolling Stones
Moody Blues
Deep Purple
Fleetwood Mac
Cream
Duran Duran
Deff Leppard
Iron Maiden



Wow! That is a lot from such a small island, I'm sure I missed a whole bunch. At one time or another all of these bands were at the top of their music scene.
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Originally posted by Lateralus
Bee Gees
Australian.
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Might as well add Coldplay to that list.

and The Clash.

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Well, jeez, you also have to add the Smiths, the Stone Roses, and Joy Division/New Order.

And if you stretch the definition of "Britain" to mean the "UK," then U2's on the list.
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And if you stretch the definition of "Britain" to mean the "UK," then U2's on the list.
I didn't think U2 was from Northern Ireland - that is the only part of Ireland that is in the UK.
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Whoops - my mistake. How about IRA Speedwagon*?





*which would be a cool name for a band from No. Ireland.
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Old 08-09-04, 11:47 PM
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Cultural/sociological explanation:

Rock music is primarily the musical form of expression of English speaking white males living in decaying urban/industrial centers, such as Detroit, Cleveland, Manchester, Glasgow, and Liverpool. A disproportionately high number of those people are from Britain. Therefore, a large number of great rock bands come from Britain.
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Originally posted by Lateralus
Rush are not British



Seriously while storm chasing I was talking with a couple Brits and this came up, a shitload of good bands have came from England:

Beatles
The Who
Jethro Tull
Yes
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Yardbirds
Radiohead
David Bowie
Chemical Brothers
Prodigy
Kinks
Bee Gees
Pink Floyd
Rolling Stones
Moody Blues
Deep Purple
Fleetwood Mac
Cream
Duran Duran
Deff Leppard
Iron Maiden



Wow! That is a lot from such a small island, I'm sure I missed a whole bunch. At one time or another all of these bands were at the top of their music scene.
I can't believe you left out Queen, who IMHO is better than most of the bands you listed.
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But you notice after they get successful, they move to the USA?

Lower taxes...
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Originally posted by wendersfan
Cultural/sociological explanation:

Rock music is primarily the musical form of expression of English speaking white males living in decaying urban/industrial centers, such as Detroit, Cleveland, Manchester, Glasgow, and Liverpool. A disproportionately high number of those people are from Britain. Therefore, a large number of great rock bands come from Britain.
Quite true, to which you can add places like Birmingham, Sheffield, Hull, Leeds, etc. Urban decay really hit Britain in the 60s and rock music was an outlet for that "going nowhere" outlook that a lot of kids had. For a lot of them it was either work at one of the factories, get involved in crime, or join a band.

A lot of it may have also had to do with mainstream views towards rock and roll here. There was a lot of resistance to the music in certain parts of the country, with the whole branding of it as "devil's music" and such. It wasn't really until The Beatles got big that rock and roll became the norm and not some fringe sound. By that point, Britain were already churning out some major rock bands just as the movement was picking up here.

Well, that's my take anyways. Someone who was actually alive in the 50s and 60s might be able to give more insight.
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But weren't many of these British (or early ones) all influenced by American artists?

Did you also ever notice that many British bands speak with a thick accent but when they sing they sound like they are from the U.S.?

Also, why is Jazz so huge everywhere else (okay not everywhere but you get what I am saying) but not in the U.S. where it was originated?
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Well, of course all the early groups were heavily influenced by American country, blues, R & B, and so forth. It seems self evident that it often takes someone from another culture to show you what's really great about your own.

I have my doubts that jazz is more popular everywhere else. France and Scandanavia, probably, and that's all I can think of. I imagine the jazz aesthetic is what's really the popular thing in most places - the sunglasses, cool suits, hipster slang, etc.
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Originally posted by Flashback
But weren't many of these British (or early ones) all influenced by American artists?
Maybe so, but did you click the smiley in my very first post?
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AC/DC are not British
I'll not disagree, and many say that they are one of the more worthwhile rocks bands from the 70s and 80s who are still recording and touring. Incidentally, bassist Cliff Williams is English, Brian Johnson is from Newcastle, England while Angus & Malcolm were born in Glasgow, Scotland.
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[Bee Gees] Australian.
Although I think they were born in the Isle of Man - a British Protectorate or Crown Dependency - and first performed in and around Manchester, England.
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Rush are not British
They are sometimes called the thinking man's [person's] rock band. That makes them honorary Brits in my book. []

Seriously, though, while remembering that some of the "name" bands are quite "posh" e.g. Genesis, Queen, Pink Floyd, some good points made; especially concerning the urban landscape and its influence.
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Maybe so, but did you click the smiley in my very first post?
No , I have been slow for a week now...damn weather is making me go into Fall mode here....
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Why are all the great rock/pop genius musicians American???

Chuck Berry
Bob Dylan
Brian Wilson
Michael Jackson
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Johnny Cash
Mike Patton
Prince
Jimi Hendrix
DJ Shadow
etc....

Not to mention Juan Atkins, Afrika Bambaata, DJ Primier, KRS-1, and on and on
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(but the ratio of musicians to population is much greater in the UK than in the US) - and here's why:

Music classes are MANDATORY in English schools. This exposes a lot of people that have a talent or predilection for music (who otherwise wouldn't know about it) to music and how they may react to it. For example, John Lennon may have liked listening to old Elvis records while growing up, but he probably would never have picked up a guitar or attempted to write a song if he didn't have a music class.

Imagine all the talented American musicians that never got a chance to pick up an instrument...
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Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Mike Patton
I normally don't make comments about other people's tastes, but in this case...

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Originally posted by wendersfan
I normally don't make comments about other people's tastes, but in this case...

That is a ignorant comment. Do you know anything about Mike Patton at all?
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That is a ignorant comment. Do you know anything about Mike Patton at all?
I do and have met him a few times...friend of a friend...and I have to agree
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Patton may be a little weird or off the wall, but he is indeed a great music artist & vocalist (one of the best rock vocalist over the past decade). What are you people laughing about?

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That is a ignorant comment. Do you know anything about Mike Patton at all?
Quite a bit, actually. Ask around - I might make stupid comments, but I never make ignorant ones.
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