Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Music Talk
Reload this Page >

Immaculate Collection from madonna, how "altered" are the songs?

Music Talk Discuss music in all its forms: CD, MP3, DVD-A, SACD and of course live

Immaculate Collection from madonna, how "altered" are the songs?

Old 04-19-04, 12:38 AM
  #1  
DVD Talk Hero
Thread Starter
 
Rypro 525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: a frikin hellhole
Posts: 28,263
Immaculate Collection from madonna, how "altered" are the songs?

i am a fan of the older 80's dance songs and this seems to have what i'm looking for. thie only thing that concerns me is that allmusic.com states that many of the songs are altered in some way and that there is too much stereo seperation. will someone who just listens to the radio singles and doesn't know them by heart notice these "differnces"
Rypro 525 is offline  
Old 04-19-04, 01:53 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 286
I'm not an audiophile by any means but I do notice that in some songs you will only hear a sound coming from the left or right but not the other, it's a noticable thing but by no means does it ruin the collection. I actually think this was an intentional effect and not a technical error, but on my opinion of the CD, I think it's well worth your money and has Madonna's best songs...and that's to date.
MrSneis is offline  
Old 04-19-04, 06:28 AM
  #3  
DVD Talk Legend
 
bigjim25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: WV
Posts: 11,217
By far, the best Madonna Collection of the 80s hits out there.
bigjim25 is offline  
Old 04-19-04, 11:12 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 519
I'm a big geek, so take this as you will. I will say I didn't like a lot of the alterations.

"La Isla Bonita" fades out early (IIRC). "Into the Groove" is significantly altered from its original form (more like the re-mix off of "You Can Dance"), "Vogue" has some back-up vocal stuff that wasn't in the original mix (you probably won't realize this unless you really know the song), the version of "Like a Virgin" has some weird ringing sound that wasn't in the original album or single version. "Like A Prayer" is different from the radio version (has a house-y beat and doesn't have the changes in tempo, more like a shortened dance re-mix) and "Express Yourself" is the stripped down version originally on the video, not the lusher version on the "Like A Prayer" album--I actually prefer the Immaculate version of "Express Yourself." In other words, "Express Yourself" doesn't have that (fake?) brass stuff on it.

I prefer the original versions, but will you notice a difference? Probably not for "Vogue" but IMO, "Like a Prayer," "Express Yourself" and especially "Into the Groove" are radically altered. Except in the case of "Express Yourself," I think you're better off getting the originals if possible.

All this, of course, clearly just my opinion.
Laertes is offline  
Old 04-19-04, 02:14 PM
  #5  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Kalamazoo, MI, USA
Posts: 1,550
Live to Tell and Holiday are also cut.
monkey is offline  
Old 04-19-04, 03:25 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: detroit, MI, USA
Posts: 3,659
Originally posted by Laertes
I'm a big geek, so take this as you will. I will say I didn't like a lot of the alterations.

All this, of course, clearly just my opinion.
No, you are in no way geek. But if paying close attention to the minute details of a song is being a geek, count me as one also. When I read Rypro's question I immediately started thinking about songs that were altered, ones that faded out early etc.

I know some people have negative opinions about greatest hits (if you're a true fan you should just buy the albums, etc), but I like them and usually there's the one or two singles made only for the hits compliation that you want.

Anyhow, I too notice when songs are cut short or if it sounds different from the actual album. Duran Duran's Greatest takes a whole verse out of Save a Prayer and it drives me nuts to listen to it. Depeche Mode's Singles compilation uses the worst version of Behind the Wheel I know of.
iggystar is offline  
Old 04-20-04, 12:09 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Dante's 7th Circle
Posts: 366
I am an audiophile and I will tell you this...with a good stereo the Immaculate Coll. sounds UNBELIEVEABLE! If you're just looking for run of the mill sound and are willing to pay for individual tracks/albums, go for the originals.
trunks_cscs is offline  
Old 04-20-04, 05:56 PM
  #8  
DRG
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: ND
Posts: 13,417
I hate the Imaaculate Collection version of Like A Prayer. It's the only one on there that is really noticeable as a bad remix. The change is not for the better. The others either have subtle changes that don't detract from the songs (although may be mildly distracting depending on your familiarity with the original versions) or have been improved.

p.s. Into the Groove, yeah forgot about that one... I guess I was more familar with the YCD version.
DRG is offline  
Old 04-20-04, 06:11 PM
  #9  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
The Antipodean's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 6,125
Instead of "Like A Virgin" it's "Like A Hosebag." Dunno what they changed that.

(Actually I do own this disc and it's a guilty pleasure, but I never noticed any changes myself from other versions)
The Antipodean is offline  
Old 04-21-04, 12:33 AM
  #10  
DVD Talk Reviewer
 
Rogue588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: WAS looking for My Own Private Stuckeyville, but stuck in Liberty City (while missing Vice City)
Posts: 15,094
Originally posted by trunks_cscs
I am an audiophile and I will tell you this...with a good stereo the Immaculate Coll. sounds UNBELIEVEABLE! If you're just looking for run of the mill sound and are willing to pay for individual tracks/albums, go for the originals.
Well, WB remastered her early discs, stopping at True Blue, dammit.
Rogue588 is offline  
Old 04-21-04, 11:08 PM
  #11  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 6,259
Never noticed any alterations. The music was remastered in "Q" sound which was suppossed to be the next big thing. I heard it took each insturment and sent their signal to a different speaker. The effect was that you could hear different insturments only coming from one speaker and if you were in the center you would hear all the instruments together.
POWERBOMB is offline  
Old 04-21-04, 11:31 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 2,074
Yeah, the album was one of the first to receive the "Q-Sound" treatment, which was supposed to give you a nice 3-D effect with two speakers, but I couldn't really sense it, no matter how much I tried. Later I read, the album wasn't the best example of the technology, or whatever it is. I guess other proprietary technolgies have fared better

I did find "Material Girl" and a few other tracks to sound much warmer and richer sounding than its original album versions. The remixes are fine for variation's sake and the album is much easier to sit through than the CD maxi-singles that have multiple mixes of one song.

Still waiting for Like a Prayer et al to receive the remastering treatment....
Eplicon is offline  
Old 04-23-04, 02:12 PM
  #13  
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Germantown Maryland
Posts: 2,488
The version of Like a Prayer on Immaculate pales in comparison to the original. That is all I have to say, other than I think people should embrace their geekiness.
Rivero is offline  
Old 04-23-04, 02:25 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 531
Originally posted by Rogue588
Well, WB remastered her early discs, stopping at True Blue, dammit.
How are these remasters? Worth an upgrade?
FrozenMetalHead is offline  
Old 04-23-04, 10:56 PM
  #15  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 2,074
The remasters have better sound, slightly better booklet (nothing in the way of liner notes, just album info, maybe a new photo or two, and printed song lyrics), and a couple of bonus tracks. These are cobbled from already existing re-mixes found on domestic or import maxi-singles.
Eplicon is offline  
Old 04-25-04, 04:14 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Under Golden Gate Bridge
Posts: 10,912
IC is worth getting. I'm not a big audiophile and while there are some changes to the songs, they shouldn't make any noticeable difference to the casual fan.
big whoppa is offline  
Old 04-25-04, 07:11 PM
  #17  
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,957
The Q-sound remixes are pretty different. Not radically to the casual fan...but radical to the intense fan. As someone who has several hundred madonna cd's and remixes...these aren't available anywhere else.

And btw...if you're going to ask about GHV2...that's even worse. They are ALL edits. Horrible.
digitalfreaknyc is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 12:46 AM
  #18  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 6,259
For some reason I avoid the GHV2. I bought IC even though I owned all of her prior cd's but I couldn't bring myself to do the same with GHV2.
POWERBOMB is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 09:15 AM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 519
Originally posted by digitalfreaknyc


And btw...if you're going to ask about GHV2...that's even worse. They are ALL edits. Horrible.
Um... they are? I bought GHV2, but not the original albums, so I'm only familiar with the radio edits, and they sounded the same to me. Do you mean they're editted from their original album versions? Seriously, dude, they sound the same to me, and now I feel like I'm missing something.....
Laertes is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 09:30 AM
  #20  
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,957
Check the packaging.

It states that they are all edited.

Come on...they even censored Human Nature. lol. How could you miss that???

I will repeat, DUDE, that I have over 300 madonna cd's. Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. They're all radio edits.
digitalfreaknyc is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 09:32 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 519
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, "Human Nature" without the "naughty" words. But what about "Don't Tell Me," for instance, that sounds the same to me. "Music" sounds the same.
Laertes is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 10:34 AM
  #22  
DVD Talk Hero
Thread Starter
 
Rypro 525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: a frikin hellhole
Posts: 28,263
didin't gh vol2 get an explicit lyrics tag?
Rypro 525 is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 12:03 PM
  #23  
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,957
Originally posted by Rypro 525
didin't gh vol2 get an explicit lyrics tag?
Nope.

But what about "Don't Tell Me," for instance, that sounds the same to me. "Music" sounds the same.
Again....CHECK THE BOOKLET. It's possible that both of those were the actual album versions because the album versions were short enough and there wasn't a reason to make a "radio edit." I'm almost positive that DTM had a radio edit but I can't be sure. I think the ending might have been trimmed because I know there was an extended ending with strings on the album.
digitalfreaknyc is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 12:44 PM
  #24  
DVD Talk Hero
Thread Starter
 
Rypro 525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: a frikin hellhole
Posts: 28,263
question on the ic collection, is "borderline" edited? i am listening to the song now on "mtv's 20 years of pop" cd. in the left speaker, there is an annoying ringing that sounds like a cymbal, so just wondering.
Rypro 525 is offline  
Old 04-26-04, 12:48 PM
  #25  
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,957
You'd have to specify what you mean by "edited."

ALL of the songs on the Immaculate Collection were remixed. None of them are the album version. None of them are "radio edits" like GHV2.
digitalfreaknyc is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.